A central theme of Macbeth is consequence of the character's actions. What can you tell about the main characters by their actions and how they deal with the consequences. Which character reacts in a way you relate to?
I agree with Emma when she says that Lady Macbeth has a poor character and isn't very willed when she escapes her problems by committing suiside. Also, Macbeth's charactor changes from the beginning of the story to the end. At first he seemed like someone with a good character and high morals, but he let the weaker side of him take over and he gave into what his wife wanted, which was killing Duncan.
Lady MacBeth was an ambitious woman and she got carried away. We knew that the guilt killed her in the end when she killed herself. She couldn't possibly enjoy anything when she was feeling extremely guilty.
Eventually the stress of the situaton wore down on Lady Macbeth as Macbeth grew stronger. Macbeth built character, but in a negative way, so that he turns evil. Characters pretend to be someone else until Duncan's death and then the characters take their true personality
The wall that Ldy Macbeth put up is the lad up to her death. As the story goes on, that wall starts to deteriorate and ends up breaking. At that breaking points is when she had committed suicide.
You can tell that the Macbeths dont anticipate the concequences of what they do because they aren't prepared to deal with how they feel about killing for power.
Macbeth didn't deal very well with the consequences of his actions; he never once tried to amend for them. He began to rely on the prophecy very strongly to justify the ignoble murders he committed rather than just own up.
I feel that the characters don't necissarily react in the best manner to their consequences. Macbeth and Lady Macbeth tended to make their problems worse rather than try to resolve them.
With Lady Macbeth, her consequence is great as she kills herself. But the real consequence of her paranoid actions and thoughts was the extreme guilt that she was brought down by. Macbeth has a qonsequence of becoming overly confident which also resulted in the death of himgelf. I would agree with Mark that the guilt and other consequences build up throughout the story. Without the original actions nothing could have happened but once it did the story snowballed.
I don't agree with Haley, because I don't think that her natural personality was evil, but rather she got carried away and started doing things she normally wouldn't do. I think that sometimes we all get carried away and do things that we usually wouldn't do and that is exactly what happened with Lady MacBeth.
Macbeth, the play, helps an audience understand that people cannot truly understand conquiences until they have experienced them, such as the saying goes, "You don't know unless you've been through it"
well lady macbeth and macbeth are ifluenced by the othr less important characters in very profound ways. Banqueo for example plays a uge part in the keepin, weaking and fianally the loss of macbeths high morals and in some degree sanity. After he removed the one pure thing ij his way, banqueo, he felt free to kill and conqure to his fancy. an dit killed him.
I don't think that Lady Macbeth realized that the murders were inevitable. I think that she could have figured that out if she had tried, but she was trying to blot out what she had done.
Macbeth dealed with his consequences by exceting how entangled he had become in the web of murders he had created that he gave up at the end not wanting to run away because he would still have guilt just like the invisible blood he would always bear on his hands. He faught till dealth knowing he would die excepting what he had become, what he lost in the process, and paying for what he did! -Nicole B.
I don't agree with Haley when she said Lady Macbeth wasn't pretending to be someone she wasn't because she was eaten from the inside out when she was the Queen. she was because she was trying to act the role of a good queen that had gotten there through luck or chance she couldn't because shse couldn't live a lie.
I don't relate very strongly with any characters except with Macbeth. With Macbeth, I feel like I wouldn't take my own life like Lady Macbeth did but rather fight for my life like Macbeth.
I agree with Alyssa in saying that Banquo was one of the most noble of the play. But i also think that Macduff was one of the most noble, for he had the courage to defeat Macbeth and destory his tyranny
I agree with the fact that Banquo is the most noble character in the play, because he was a good fighter and a good person. MacBeth was a good fighter but in the end he was a tyrant. I agree that Banquo stood up to his problems and ended up getting killed but MacBeth tried to avoid his guilt of murder when he had guilt of murder.
I think that Lady Macbeth did know that her actions to spark her husband's ambitions would cause the entire MacDuff family to be murdered. She probably knew her husband well enough to know how he would deal with the rest of the family and played it off as though it was all his idea, even though it was hers.
I can most relate to is Malcolm because he is a character that used his common sense to resolve his problems. When he saw that he and his brother were in danger he decided to flee the area to evade what may happen to him. He also used the time he was away to devise a plan to resolve his problem.
I think that Lady Macbeth saw that Duncan's death would not be the last, but did not think through the specifics about who would die. I don't think Macbeth saw it comming.
I don't agree with the comment that Mara and Megan said(That king duncan was most noble) King Duncan was too short lived in the story to be the most noble.
I would have to say Macduff. He never once wishes to take the throne. He passes Malcolm's trust test, which was designed to make him fail. Macduff tries to solve problems, whe=ile others only dodge them. The only time that he does something that could be considered wrong is killing Macbeth, which was justifiable considering he had his family murdered.
Macduff took initiatve, but I think Banquo was more noble. I think that Macbduff may have been better than Banquo in different aspects, but how was he MORE noble than Banquo?
like i said before, Macbduff is one of the most noble. I agree with Kelise when she said that he was the one who took the initative in the destroction of Macbeth. I disagree with MArk when he says that we don't have enough background, becuase as we read the play, their personality (the character's) becomes more vidid and we understand them better, and being noble is just one of the qualaties that we saw through Macduff as the play prgresses
I agree with Haley's statement that MacDuff wasn't a very big character, because we really didn't hear from him a lot. Sure he stood up and murdered MacBeth when everybody else feared MacBeth, but what else did he do? MacDuff's personality wasn't really noble
I would have reacted the same as MacDuff after his family was murdered trying to avenge their dealth by killing Macbeth, Macbeth deserved it after all this family "his little chickens" were taken from him and he had done nothing wronge but tried to expose Macbeth for what he really was and get him over thrown.
I think that Malcolm was the most noble character because he didn't run away from his problems forever and leave them for dead but he faced what could have led to his demise and eventually conquered it.
I agree with Mrs. Moritz that Macduff is the most noble character in the book because he is the one that does something about the problem for the benitit of all the people in Scotland not only for Malcom and himself
I do agree that Macduff was the most noble of the bunch. He realized as Mark said that things needed to be put back into place. Also he remained on the side of suspicion for the whole story and never said that he would be loyal to Macbeth.
I agree with Mrs. Moritz, and sorry I have not posted yet (computer problems). Macduff is the most noble. He is smart and able to detect the signs that Macbeth gave as King... that something was wrong, and that Macbeth was evil. He is able to having the willingness to travel to England to start an army. He wants the best for his country.
After the witches line "Foul is fair and fair is foul," Macbeth and Banquo meet them for the first time. What does this line mean? What is it foreshadowing? Why would Shakespeare use it at the beginning of the play?
I believe that we could relate this line to Lady Macbeth. Later in the story, Lady Macbeth becomes an evil monster. This represents that a fair thane's wife turns foul.
NEW GROUP: I agree with Emily B. when she says that fair can be foul and foul can b fair. It sort of has an evil turn, becuase that would mean that your opinion is that if someone or something is sent to a foul place, when it is fair. Grace explains it well as in saying that it forshadows Macbeth's journey, as he is "fair" (pretty) on the outside, but foul on the indisde
i think fair is foul and foul is fair is foreshadowing because macbeth was being foul to everyone and he got killed which seems grusome but it was fair because he killed people too.
I think that the witches are tring to convey that the world is the way it is, and it doesn't really matter what you think about it. It shows the depth of every character - that evryone had both foul and fair inside them.
Abby is right in saying that when Mabceth is king that it sounds like good news but really it is in actuality foul becuase as we know Macbeth will turn VERY foul
I guess it shows that the pretty things we see are really foul and the foul things we see are really fair, we judge by appearances and not what it really is.
With the second portion(foul is fair) of the line, i believe that we could relate this to Macduff killing Macbeth. The actual killing was very brutal or foul but it was fair because Macbeth needed to be stopped.
I agree with grace because it does sumarize his whole journey. But how would that determine him inside? it should just determine how his journey through out this book goes.
I agree with Grace, the witches may say "Fair is foul and foul is fair" in order to foreshadow how the characters change throughout the story. Macbeth, I would say, is a fair person, and he turns foul. It could be also questioned that L. Macbeth begins as a foul character. The guilt begins to overtake her, showing fairness in her character. Macbeth continues to be foul until he has no head.
I think that the line means that the good outside appearance in the beginning doesn't necessarily mean that that is who he is. I may also mean that things interpreted in a good way such as the four apparitions may not necessarily mean that that is what it is meant to be interpreted as.
"Fair is Foul" to me means that nothings is as it seems, what may be fair his appearnce (gental,innocent)can turn into somehthing foul (What Macbeth becomes later in the play) It is huge forshadowing like Kara said it was supposed to be nice and dandy being king and in the end he looks good (what Griffen siad) but inside he is nothing shy of paranoid and ready to re do what he has done.
i like what sydney says. that appearences may be different than what is actual. Macbeth may think that his killings are good for him but foul to everyone else
Mikalea says that the meanings change through the play. I disagree because the witches have prophesys that evetually come true, (ending of the character, macbeth) and so the meaning holds true throghout the entire play
I don't agrree with Emily or Jack that their actions wiil be just and unjust, I think that it means that what used to look good looks bad and that what used to look bad is now appealing. This foreshadows that somehting will look good to them and they will act in a bad way because of the reverse pyscology.
I agree with Zach when he says that things became more foul throughout the book. Even though being a King seems like such a great thing, so many murders and bad deeds occurred just to make this one "fair" thing happen.
The world is grey, basically. It is necesary for Shakespeare to include this line to set the tone for the play, because without this understanding audidiences could not accept the play. I think it is more of a distinction between black and white rather than foreshadowing.
I agree with what Grace said... "foul is fair and fair is foul" related to Macbeth's journey, which starts with his foul deeds that have fair consequences in the beginning... he became king! But then the fair consequence starts to turn foul when people start turning against him, he is mentally disturbed, his wife killed herself, etc.
I agree with grace (good to bad intention) the story really does go from fair intention of trying to be the highest but at the end, other characters start to notice that their actions are really foul.
I agree with Garrett, about the killing of Macbeth. It was thought to be for the best. I also agree with Kara, in the sense that foul deeds where committed in order to gain a fair title, and a fair lifestyle.
Throughout the whole entire book we see a constant reoccuruing of this theme. Macbeth and Lady Macbeth at the beggining "appear" to be great noble people who have everything under control, however, slowly thoughout the book we see the more "foul" side of both of them, when they loose control of themselves and the foul side of them is more present than the fair side. The second part, "foul is fair", can be paired with the same instance. The way that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth acted made a scene in which others can learn from, including us as humans.
Shakespeare would use it at the beginging to get us thinking, to help us understand the whole play before it had even started, it gives us warning of the deception in the play, people pretending to be things they're not
The visions they give Macbeth is the best part of fair is foul because they are showing him all of these visions that he didnt want to see and he couldnt help himself because of how he has acted in the past
I think that Shakespeare used this line at the beginning of the play to give the viewer/reader a confusing statement that can be inquired about throughout the play.
I agree with Griffin j that the apparitions look good to Macbeth but at the end he realizes that they are actually foul images hiding behind a good cloak.
I think that this line is foreshadowing that right now it seems as if both fair and foul are completely different things, but when everything starts happening in the story, the two words begin to mix together. The words fair and foul in this story are a pair.
I agree with sydney too. When Lady Macbeth sees the oppurtunity of becoming queen she thinks nothing can go wrong and thats what she even tells Macbeth. She only sees the good in something that is bad and later this comes back to haun her and Macbeth.
Do you think that the witches can really foresee the future or are they just using Macbeth to take the future into their own hands? If so, why? What was the purpose of the prophecies?
they are totally just using macbeth to take the future in their own hands because they know that they can manipulate him into doing what they want him to do so they future will work out like they say
(good job everyone on the first question!) NEXT QUESTION I do not think that the witches can forsee the future. i think that the mysterious characters are the witches, making sure that their comes true. When hectate comes in, she is angry that they do not inculde her. I believe that the messenger was hectate so that she could be involved in making sure the future is in their hands
I believe that the entire play is foul and fair. It's murder, betrayal, lies, etc., yet many characters prove to be good and noble. Some characters change. The apparitions, also: some appear foul, but tell Macbeth "fair" things that he will not worry about, but some of the apparitions, like the line of Kings, appear fair, but inflict a "foul" impression on Macbeth.
Jack brought up the Lady Macbeth seemed foul and devious at the beginning but at the end she turns out to be just a whilthed flower (fair- dainty, somthing fragil) that because of what she was at first must suffer now with her new found weakness and decides it is just to much to handle. I sort of mourn for her she payed mentally for what she did and turned from foul to fair but somtimes where you strt determines where you end up!
I agree with abby and emily. the witches DO like to mess with people, like the salior and his wife. so i think that they are not real witches, but rather (as macbeth would say) "old hags" with nothing else to do
I think that the witches are just using Macbeth to take the future into their own hands. This is becasue throughout the book the witches are constantly holding the attention span of Macbeth through all of the events that he went through. This hints that these instances, when the witches are present, they are trying to manipulate the events that happen through their main source, Macbeth.
No they can't see the future, people belive in these weird methods and it makes them think the things they do are because of fate and not because of their own descisions. Macbeth killed because he thought he was sure to be king, had he not known he wouldn't have worked for the title of king.
The purpose of the prophesies was to make Macbeth beleive that he could be invinciable no matter what happened. Although the witches showed that Macbeth could be killed by a man born by a women, Macbeth was too conceded, in a way, to think about what that meant.
i think the purpose of their prophecies was just to mess with macbeth to start with. They're witches and like to mess with people just because. like how the first witch made the sailor stay at sea forever just because his wife wouldn't give her walnuts or something.
They understand that seeing the future would be pointless, because once they see it, it changes. They manipulate their words to get him to do what they want.
I think they are using Macbeth into their own hands because they are seen in the time as a people who are able to use witchcraft to foresee the future so Macbeth could have romanticized their ideas more. Because of this, Macbeth may have thought that that was what must be done so there was no conscience that could stop him because he already thought that he was doing what was right.
I'm wondering, why would the witches want to take the future into their own hands? Just for that power, to control the future, or in order to accomplish something? WHY do they tell Macbeth the prophecies, anyway? Did they make them up, and watch it happen? Or what?
Grace says that the witches plant ideas into Macbeth's mind. This is true for the apparation charts, however the trees coming to life on duncan hill would be impossible to predict correctly, unless something magical had been going on
i agree with zac, what are the apparitions and how do they made them? are they ghosts? just simply ghosts from Macbeth's imagination like banquo's ghost?
I agree with the thought that they can't completely see the future, but are just putting ideas into Macbeth's head so he can take them over and work them out himself.
The only prophecies that Macbeth didn't physically make sure came true,was him becoming the Thane of Cawdor... he never was involved in the Thane of Cawdors execution for his treason. Then once that is set in place not by his own doing he feels he needs to act on the prophecy's so he does, to make sure they come true. But like Zach says how does that explain the eerie correctness of the apparitions?
I think the witches can see some of the future but they also use Macbeth to change the future too. I think the unidentified murderer and messengers are the witches.
Zach's apparition point brings me too believe that the witches are simply Hecates messengers because only she could know into the future. The witches are almost like children playing a game that they shouldn't which brings mom (Hecate) to stop their foolish actions with her wisdom
As everyone has somewhat mentioned, Macbeth is bacically putty in their hands (odd comparasion...) Text-Text connection by Grace was very relateable toward Macbeth and how the witches in Harry Potter just use lines and spells. i think, relating and basing off of Grace...they have the power to control such magical powers, yet they do have somewhat of a physical hand
Why wouldnt they leave some parts of the important detals in their mind? So that they could seem smarter. Maybe they know more than they lead on they could know every little detal.
I agree with Kara, the witches do not know exactly how everything they tell him will happen. Macbeth makes it happen. Then again, he did not cause the previous Thane of Cawdor to commmit treason. It would appear that Macbeth did not make himself become the Thane. It happened. However, he did make himself become King. What if he didn't tell L. Macbeth of the prophecies, and therefore couldn't bring himself to murder Duncan? Would he still become King?
I don't think that the witches were messengers of Hecate because there is a scene where Hecate is angry at them for using their witchcraft without Hecate's permission.
I agree with Kara. The prophesies were to make Macbeth carry them out. They could have predicted how he would have acted to each apperition; and these actions by Macbeth would make their predictions become true.
I agree with Jack that the unexplained chaacters that help the story go along may be the witches because they want the prophecies to come true to keep their plan going. They want to keep their word so Macbeth trusts them later.
And, of people being "women-born," how would the witches know that Macduff was delivered by c-section? Or did it just depend on who the "not of woman-born" was? How did the witches know?
What the witches do is prey on Macbeth's belief and get him to believe things that aren't real. The only reason he is ultimately destroyed is because deep down he believes he will be.
trying to answer Rebeka's question.. If Macbeth ever told anyone about the prophesy. I don't think so, and i think the witches planned it. A text-life connection i made is that i think the witches are just people like therapists and psycics in real life. They can PREDIT people, not control them.
Many connection to the woods coming to the top of the hill... Like jack said there were many different ways that this could happen... wether people, the trees, or something else
I think that Macbeth caught on, and then took the opportunity under his wings...to make it come true for himself. Once he was king, he realizied the turn of events.
He probably wouldnt have become king... he would have had to kill the king and many more and i believe the role of events would have changed everything
Throughout the play, the relationship between Lady Macbeth and her husband changes dramatically. The roles of huscand and wife become blurred. How did the major role switch in the relationship affect the plot? Would things be different is L. Macbeth had remained the controlling spouse?
He might become king but not by his own hands. He wouldn't have murdered King Duncan so maybe something might have happened to King Duncan. This goes back to the witches and if they can actually see the future or if they make it through Macbeth.
The whitches may ahve been to the attlefeild where the thane of cawdor commited treason and knowen that macbeth, winni ng the battle would take his place.
Even if Macbeth had waited to become king, it might have been years before it happened. Also, if it is predicted that he will become corrupt, then he probably will if the other parts of the prophecy came true.
i think things would've changed because she was too guilty to go on after killing duncan, so maybe she would've stopped him from killing banquo and having more guilt to deal with.
At first, Macbeth and Lady Macbeth seem to have a perfect husband and wife relationship, but after Lady Macbeth pretty much forces Macbeth to kill Duncan, the relationship starts changing. Lady Macbeth starts to take over the roll of the husband by concincing him to kill Duncan and when she tried to control Macbeth's actions. Macbeth becomes more secretive toward Lady Macbeth and doesn't tell her that he is planning on murduring more people.
I agree with Michaela that they significantly changed during the play. Lady MacBeth is a forceful woman at the beginning who makes MacBeth do what she says. Then Lady MacBeth starts to feel guilty about what she did and she turns into a psycological mess.
At first lady macbeth is in control and has the decidng vote on matters. Macbeth seems to be affronted when she says he isnt a man and Macbeth takes matters into his own hands by not letting he know as much. if lady macbethremained in control o think there would have been less killin for insurance.
Macbeth becomes too involved in all that is happening and the attention from Lady Macbeth slowly drifts away. All of the killing, plots, and action that occurs takes Lady Macbeth's focus away to the point where she actually kills herself.
L.Macbeth and Macbeth use many more words of affection in the beginning of the book (chuck, etc.) but by the end they are so consumed by other issues that there is no room for romance.
I agree with Rebecca that L. Macbeth was encouraging her husband to kill the king and that it was for him but she also wanted it for herself to have the title as Queen
If Lady Macbeth hadn't been a so convincing about killing Duncan, I don't think he would have committed murder. Obviously, Lady Macbeth's almost masculine emotional strength affected the plot.
I think the Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have not every realy truly expressed their feelings. They seem to have on a mask that makes each other happy. (Atleast at the beginning of the play) As they begin to remove the mask infront of eachotheer (metaphorically obvioulsy) they begin to see who each other truly are. They are starting to be eaten within...and learning more about each other throught the turn of events. The guilt then takes controla dn twists out of control.
I think that at the begining of the play, Lady Macbeth was the strongest, toughest, and most manipulative of the two. She was the one who was comforting Macbeth of his murder, seeming as if it didn't phase her at all. But at the end, Macbeth was the one who was trying to comfort her of his crime and she soon started to become less strong and the guilt took over her. Macbeth was the one who stayed strong until the end.
I don't really agree with Rebeckah that Lady MacBeth does everything out of love. I think that Lady MacBeth's actions are done out of ambition and pride. She is a very prideful woman and wants to see the top of the social chain and when she finds out that she has the chance to get to the top, she takes it. Lady MacBeth would've done anything to reach the top and manipulating her husband was part of the plan.
i agree with natalie that macbeth started fair then turned foul and L. Macbeth started out foul and sort of became fair. They have switched roles in what their relationship was before.
THey both seem to change through the book and switch roles. At first lady macbeth is the mastermind and makes him kill duncan, then macbeth takes over and feels no guilt. Its almost like that weird incantation she said about removing her guilt went to macbeth instead.
I agree with Emily when she says that Lady Macbeth did not do everything out of love. But instead of doing it out of ambition and pride, I think that she did it because of greed. She wanted to be rich and powerful.
I agree with Daniel, i think that Lady Macbeth did feel the guilt of what her husband was doing, but then Macbeth got more confident about what he was doing and their roles switched for a second time.
I agree with Garrett D. that she was the backbone at the beginning of the book and then later she became the one who needed a shoulder to lean on. MacBeth was never the one who needed a shoulder to lean on, as he has been pretty sure of himself the entire book. His ego significantly grows as the book goes on.
QUESTION: Are Lady Macbeth and Macbeth their true selves the whole play? Macbeth is using Macbeth as a puppet, but eventually commits suicide. Macbeth is the puppet, but doesn't seem to care when his "puppitier" dies.
They have a normal relationship that normal people have. But then she turns to the letter and decides what needs to happen. This lead he to wanting to kill the king. Then, her guilt over took her and convinced her to kill herself. during the middle of the play macbeth and lady macbeth switch roles and different feelings. Then Macbeth took charge of the killing and started to feel the guilt and then he gets into the fight with the "woods" and dies in combat... They switch roles and feelings through out the play.
L.Macbeth seemed to stop with her plans once she had achieved her goal of being queen, but Macbeth's ambition and paranoia kept the ball rolling, which eventually crumbled all the foundations they had.
I disagree with all of the switching idea. Lady Macbeth and Macbeth both change for worse when at the begining it seemed that they had everything under control.
i think the guilt of the macbeths shows who is in control after the death of duncan lady macbeth feels very guilty but macbeth overcomes his guilt and does what needs to be done to assure his power.
I agree with Grace when she says that Lady MacBeth and MacBeth are lovey-dovey at the beginnning of the book. All of the movies we saw reflect this opinion. Eventually, the guilt kills Lady MacBeth and she worries to much to love MacBeth at all.
i disagree. Fair at the beggining is winning the battle, and winning. daniel took my idea. you can't place restrictions on foul and fair. it is all perspective. Fair to Lady Macbeth at first is killing the king so she can be queen. But later She kills herself because of it.
I agree with Grace in saying that Lady Macbeth reached her goal and stopped. But Macbeth "ran away" alone and had to become a "new" person with the thought of what he had done, and no longer having Lady Macbeth at his side.
I think Macbeth does feel the guilt at the beginning, but by the end, he doesn't feel it as much. It is similar to Lord of the Flies. When Simon dies, no one can face reality, but when Piggy is murdered, it is taken better. Jack even makes it sound as if it was inevitable.
No i think her ambition surpassed even macbeths and it blinded her. But once she relized that the gain was a small and melecholy one it set in and destroyed her from the inside.
Corey mentions that being the queen means nothing to her because the guilt is taking over her life. This is very true. We saw Lady MacBeth as a person of ambition, but she realizes by the end of the book that she is so guilty that she feels nothing besides guilt. If I would have done what she did, then I would be feeling the same way. I get the impression that if Lady MacBeth could've gone back, none of this would've ever happened.
Maybe because she doesn't want to feel guilt in the beginning because she is actually getting something out of killing Duncan --becoming queen-- but now that she doesn't get anything out of the people that a dying, she feels guilty and it takes over her so she takes her life.
I agree with Grace, Macbeth didn't fully realize why L.M. wanted the power so bad, and now that he's had a taste of the power he only wants more, but it can never be the same as when he became king, it can only go downhill
I think she did kill herself because she refused to show her guilt in the beginning. For Example, When you press down anger, it builds up and comes out super strong and I think that's what she did
I don't think that Lady Macbeth had much guilt to repress at the beginning, but as the murders kept piling up and she became even more entangled in the situation, it grew into a much larger issue for her, and she couldn't handle the strain.
This goes back to 'fair is foul and foul is fair". What Lady Macbeth thought was fair (becoming queen) was actually foul because it caused her so much guilt and doomed her to her death.
Maria says that MacBeth had an outlet. I think that he became addicted to murdering people. Sometimes if you do something enough it becomes an addiction. Lady MacBeth's small point of addiction was when she wanted the queen position, but when she got it she realized it wasn't that great. MacBeth never really feels the same level of guilt that Lady MacBeth feels.
I think that the guilt haunted Lady Macbeth. She was probably thinking about it 24/7 and it soon became too much to bare. Allthough she did not actually commit the crime, she was the one who pushed Macbeth to carry it out. The awards of being Queen were not enough to drown her feelings out guilt.
I agree with Nicole that L Macbeth wasn't thinking about the consequences, she was just thinking about Queen Queen Queen, and that i think caused her to build up all that guilt because she wasn't prepared to deal with the guilt
I agree that Lady Macbeth didn't think of the consequences and Macbeth did but the ironic thing is that the guilt had an even greater affect on Lady Macbeth.
I think abbie has the right idea, now that she doesn't gain anything from Banquo's death, from macduff's families deaths, she now starts to realize the consequences of her initial actions
A central theme of Macbeth is consequence of the character's actions. What can you tell about the main characters by their actions and how they deal with the consequences. Which character reacts in a way you relate to?
ReplyDeleteLady Macbeth pretended to be someone she wasn't. Eventually in the end, she broke down and showed her true identity.
ReplyDeletei think that the characters actions are subsequent of events and the way they act doesnt change, the confidence in the way they want to act changes.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Emma when she says that Lady Macbeth has a poor character and isn't very willed when she escapes her problems by committing suiside. Also, Macbeth's charactor changes from the beginning of the story to the end. At first he seemed like someone with a good character and high morals, but he let the weaker side of him take over and he gave into what his wife wanted, which was killing Duncan.
ReplyDeleteThe characters in any work of fiction are the foundation of how the audience sees the work - and ultimately portray the theme.
ReplyDeleteLady MacBeth was an ambitious woman and she got carried away. We knew that the guilt killed her in the end when she killed herself. She couldn't possibly enjoy anything when she was feeling extremely guilty.
ReplyDeleteMacbeth might have been stronger, but he was feeling guilty for his actions. I'm not sure whether is new found toughness, s really a positive.
ReplyDeleteBeyond Macbeth & L. Macbeth???
ReplyDeleteEventually the stress of the situaton wore down on Lady Macbeth as Macbeth grew stronger. Macbeth built character, but in a negative way, so that he turns evil. Characters pretend to be someone else until Duncan's death and then the characters take their true personality
ReplyDeleteThe wall that Ldy Macbeth put up is the lad up to her death. As the story goes on, that wall starts to deteriorate and ends up breaking. At that breaking points is when she had committed suicide.
ReplyDeleteYou can tell that the Macbeths dont anticipate the concequences of what they do because they aren't prepared to deal with how they feel about killing for power.
ReplyDeleteWe realize through Macbeth that it is difficult to follow through with sitatuions and plans, until it is something that you truly strive for
ReplyDeleteMacbeth didn't deal very well with the consequences of his actions; he never once tried to amend for them. He began to rely on the prophecy very strongly to justify the ignoble murders he committed rather than just own up.
ReplyDeleteI feel that the characters don't necissarily react in the best manner to their consequences. Macbeth and Lady Macbeth tended to make their problems worse rather than try to resolve them.
ReplyDeleteWith Lady Macbeth, her consequence is great as she kills herself. But the real consequence of her paranoid actions and thoughts was the extreme guilt that she was brought down by. Macbeth has a qonsequence of becoming overly confident which also resulted in the death of himgelf. I would agree with Mark that the guilt and other consequences build up throughout the story. Without the original actions nothing could have happened but once it did the story snowballed.
ReplyDeleteDo you think L. Macbeth realized that her husband's ambition would lead to the death of the entire MacDuff family?
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with Haley, because I don't think that her natural personality was evil, but rather she got carried away and started doing things she normally wouldn't do. I think that sometimes we all get carried away and do things that we usually wouldn't do and that is exactly what happened with Lady MacBeth.
ReplyDeleteMacbeth, the play, helps an audience understand that people cannot truly understand conquiences until they have experienced them, such as the saying goes, "You don't know unless you've been through it"
ReplyDeleteThere were a few characters that delt with their actions by running away, trying to aviod confrontation and questioning by the other characters.
ReplyDeletewell lady macbeth and macbeth are ifluenced by the othr less important characters in very profound ways. Banqueo for example plays a uge part in the keepin, weaking and fianally the loss of macbeths high morals and in some degree sanity. After he removed the one pure thing ij his way, banqueo, he felt free to kill and conqure to his fancy. an dit killed him.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Lady Macbeth realized that the murders were inevitable. I think that she could have figured that out if she had tried, but she was trying to blot out what she had done.
ReplyDeleteI think that Lady Macbeth didn't see the deathof the MAcduffs coming because she just wanted to be queen not kill the opposition
ReplyDeleteI too disagree with Haley. Lady Macbeth led the evil onto herself, she wasn't naturally an evil person, but instead she drew the evil toward her
ReplyDeleteMacbeth dealed with his consequences by exceting how entangled he had become in the web of murders he had created that he gave up at the end not wanting to run away because he would still have guilt just like the invisible blood he would always bear on his hands. He faught till dealth knowing he would die excepting what he had become, what he lost in the process, and paying for what he did!
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I don't agree with Haley when she said Lady Macbeth wasn't pretending to be someone she wasn't because she was eaten from the inside out when she was the Queen. she was because she was trying to act the role of a good queen that had gotten there through luck or chance she couldn't because shse couldn't live a lie.
ReplyDeleteMacduff???????
ReplyDeleteI think that Lady Macbeth focused on her vision of happiness- her as queen, Macbeth as king...she never once thought of the issues that would arise.
ReplyDeleteI think the most noble character is Banquo. I agree with Alyssa when she said that he didin't run away, making him more noble.
ReplyDeleteI don't relate very strongly with any characters except with Macbeth. With Macbeth, I feel like I wouldn't take my own life like Lady Macbeth did but rather fight for my life like Macbeth.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Alyssa in saying that Banquo was one of the most noble of the play. But i also think that Macduff was one of the most noble, for he had the courage to defeat Macbeth and destory his tyranny
ReplyDeleteI agree with the fact that Banquo is the most noble character in the play, because he was a good fighter and a good person. MacBeth was a good fighter but in the end he was a tyrant. I agree that Banquo stood up to his problems and ended up getting killed but MacBeth tried to avoid his guilt of murder when he had guilt of murder.
ReplyDeleteI think that Lady Macbeth did know that her actions to spark her husband's ambitions would cause the entire MacDuff family to be murdered. She probably knew her husband well enough to know how he would deal with the rest of the family and played it off as though it was all his idea, even though it was hers.
ReplyDeletethe most noble character to me is banquo because he is loyal to macbeth as king but not to the point where it blinds him of what has happended
ReplyDeleteI can most relate to is Malcolm because he is a character that used his common sense to resolve his problems. When he saw that he and his brother were in danger he decided to flee the area to evade what may happen to him. He also used the time he was away to devise a plan to resolve his problem.
ReplyDeleteI think that Lady Macbeth saw that Duncan's death would not be the last, but did not think through the specifics about who would die. I don't think Macbeth saw it comming.
ReplyDeleteIs having the guts to kill someone noble?
I don't agree with the comment that Mara and Megan said(That king duncan was most noble) King Duncan was too short lived in the story to be the most noble.
ReplyDeleteI would have to say Macduff. He never once wishes to take the throne. He passes Malcolm's trust test, which was designed to make him fail. Macduff tries to solve problems, whe=ile others only dodge them. The only time that he does something that could be considered wrong is killing Macbeth, which was justifiable considering he had his family murdered.
ReplyDeleteMacduff took initiatve, but I think Banquo was more noble. I think that Macbduff may have been better than Banquo in different aspects, but how was he MORE noble than Banquo?
ReplyDeleteI would say we don't know enough about Duncan to say if he is noble or not...
ReplyDeletelike i said before, Macbduff is one of the most noble. I agree with Kelise when she said that he was the one who took the initative in the destroction of Macbeth. I disagree with MArk when he says that we don't have enough background, becuase as we read the play, their personality (the character's) becomes more vidid and we understand them better, and being noble is just one of the qualaties that we saw through Macduff as the play prgresses
ReplyDeleteI agree with Haley's statement that MacDuff wasn't a very big character, because we really didn't hear from him a lot. Sure he stood up and murdered MacBeth when everybody else feared MacBeth, but what else did he do? MacDuff's personality wasn't really noble
ReplyDeleteI would have reacted the same as MacDuff after his family was murdered trying to avenge their dealth by killing Macbeth, Macbeth deserved it after all this family "his little chickens" were taken from him and he had done nothing wronge but tried to expose Macbeth for what he really was and get him over thrown.
ReplyDeleteI think that Malcolm was the most noble character because he didn't run away from his problems forever and leave them for dead but he faced what could have led to his demise and eventually conquered it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Mrs. Moritz that Macduff is the most noble character in the book because he is the one that does something about the problem for the benitit of all the people in Scotland not only for Malcom and himself
ReplyDeleteI do agree that Macduff was the most noble of the bunch. He realized as Mark said that things needed to be put back into place. Also he remained on the side of suspicion for the whole story and never said that he would be loyal to Macbeth.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Mrs. Moritz, and sorry I have not posted yet (computer problems). Macduff is the most noble. He is smart and able to detect the signs that Macbeth gave as King... that something was wrong, and that Macbeth was evil. He is able to having the willingness to travel to England to start an army. He wants the best for his country.
ReplyDeleteAfter the witches line "Foul is fair and fair is foul," Macbeth and Banquo meet them for the first time. What does this line mean? What is it foreshadowing? Why would Shakespeare use it at the beginning of the play?
ReplyDeleteI believe that we could relate this line to Lady Macbeth. Later in the story, Lady Macbeth becomes an evil monster. This represents that a fair thane's wife turns foul.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with Emily B. when she says that fair can be foul and foul can b fair. It sort of has an evil turn, becuase that would mean that your opinion is that if someone or something is sent to a foul place, when it is fair. Grace explains it well as in saying that it forshadows Macbeth's journey, as he is "fair" (pretty) on the outside, but foul on the indisde
i think fair is foul and foul is fair is foreshadowing because macbeth was being foul to everyone and he got killed which seems grusome but it was fair because he killed people too.
ReplyDeleteI think that the witches are tring to convey that the world is the way it is, and it doesn't really matter what you think about it. It shows the depth of every character - that evryone had both foul and fair inside them.
ReplyDeleteAbby is right in saying that when Mabceth is king that it sounds like good news but really it is in actuality foul becuase as we know Macbeth will turn VERY foul
ReplyDeleteI guess it shows that the pretty things we see are really foul and the foul things we see are really fair, we judge by appearances and not what it really is.
ReplyDeletei agree with kara when she says that it starts our fair but then so many foul things happen to kim actually
ReplyDeleteWith the second portion(foul is fair) of the line, i believe that we could relate this to Macduff killing Macbeth. The actual killing was very brutal or foul but it was fair because Macbeth needed to be stopped.
ReplyDeleteI agree with grace because it does sumarize his whole journey. But how would that determine him inside? it should just determine how his journey through out this book goes.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Grace, the witches may say "Fair is foul and foul is fair" in order to foreshadow how the characters change throughout the story. Macbeth, I would say, is a fair person, and he turns foul. It could be also questioned that L. Macbeth begins as a foul character. The guilt begins to overtake her, showing fairness in her character. Macbeth continues to be foul until he has no head.
ReplyDeleteI think that the line means that the good outside appearance in the beginning doesn't necessarily mean that that is who he is. I may also mean that things interpreted in a good way such as the four apparitions may not necessarily mean that that is what it is meant to be interpreted as.
ReplyDeleteI think this translates into bad is good and good is bad, meaning although something may be bad for one person its good for another and vice versa.
ReplyDelete"Fair is Foul" to me means that nothings is as it seems, what may be fair his appearnce (gental,innocent)can turn into somehthing foul (What Macbeth becomes later in the play) It is huge forshadowing like Kara said it was supposed to be nice and dandy being king and in the end he looks good (what Griffen siad) but inside he is nothing shy of paranoid and ready to re do what he has done.
ReplyDeletei like what sydney says. that appearences may be different than what is actual. Macbeth may think that his killings are good for him but foul to everyone else
ReplyDeleteMikalea says that the meanings change through the play. I disagree because the witches have prophesys that evetually come true, (ending of the character, macbeth) and so the meaning holds true throghout the entire play
ReplyDeleteIt foreshadows that thing that look good at first may turn into bad things.
ReplyDeleteThey change through out the book starting by acting like one version of themselves and changing to another.
ReplyDeleteI don't agrree with Emily or Jack that their actions wiil be just and unjust, I think that it means that what used to look good looks bad and that what used to look bad is now appealing. This foreshadows that somehting will look good to them and they will act in a bad way because of the reverse pyscology.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Zach when he says that things became more foul throughout the book. Even though being a King seems like such a great thing, so many murders and bad deeds occurred just to make this one "fair" thing happen.
ReplyDeleteThe world is grey, basically. It is necesary for Shakespeare to include this line to set the tone for the play, because without this understanding audidiences could not accept the play. I think it is more of a distinction between black and white rather than foreshadowing.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what Grace said... "foul is fair and fair is foul" related to Macbeth's journey, which starts with his foul deeds that have fair consequences in the beginning... he became king! But then the fair consequence starts to turn foul when people start turning against him, he is mentally disturbed, his wife killed herself, etc.
ReplyDeletelady macbeth is fair and nice on the outside but foul and murderous on the inside, ready to kill Duncan
ReplyDeleteI agree with grace (good to bad intention) the story really does go from fair intention of trying to be the highest but at the end, other characters start to notice that their actions are really foul.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Garrett, about the killing of Macbeth. It was thought to be for the best. I also agree with Kara, in the sense that foul deeds where committed in order to gain a fair title, and a fair lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteThroughout the whole entire book we see a constant reoccuruing of this theme. Macbeth and Lady Macbeth at the beggining "appear" to be great noble people who have everything under control, however, slowly thoughout the book we see the more "foul" side of both of them, when they loose control of themselves and the foul side of them is more present than the fair side. The second part, "foul is fair", can be paired with the same instance. The way that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth acted made a scene in which others can learn from, including us as humans.
ReplyDeleteGrace makes a good anaology in saying that something foul and sort of look good on the outside yet on the inside it is corrupt
ReplyDeleteThese words contradict eachother and that symbolizes parts of the play.
ReplyDeleteShakespeare would use it at the beginging to get us thinking, to help us understand the whole play before it had even started, it gives us warning of the deception in the play, people pretending to be things they're not
ReplyDeleteThe visions they give Macbeth is the best part of fair is foul because they are showing him all of these visions that he didnt want to see and he couldnt help himself because of how he has acted in the past
ReplyDeleteI think that Shakespeare used this line at the beginning of the play to give the viewer/reader a confusing statement that can be inquired about throughout the play.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Griffin j that the apparitions look good to Macbeth but at the end he realizes that they are actually foul images hiding behind a good cloak.
ReplyDeleteits all about perspective. whats fair to someone is foul to another. Macbeth's killings were fair but to banquo and the king they were foul
ReplyDeleteI think that this line is foreshadowing that right now it seems as if both fair and foul are completely different things, but when everything starts happening in the story, the two words begin to mix together. The words fair and foul in this story are a pair.
ReplyDeleteI agree with sydney too. When Lady Macbeth sees the oppurtunity of becoming queen she thinks nothing can go wrong and thats what she even tells Macbeth. She only sees the good in something that is bad and later this comes back to haun her and Macbeth.
ReplyDeleteDo you think that the witches can really foresee the future or are they just using Macbeth to take the future into their own hands? If so, why? What was the purpose of the prophecies?
ReplyDeletethey are totally just using macbeth to take the future in their own hands because they know that they can manipulate him into doing what they want him to do so they future will work out like they say
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I do not think that the witches can forsee the future. i think that the mysterious characters are the witches, making sure that their comes true. When hectate comes in, she is angry that they do not inculde her. I believe that the messenger was hectate so that she could be involved in making sure the future is in their hands
I believe that the entire play is foul and fair. It's murder, betrayal, lies, etc., yet many characters prove to be good and noble. Some characters change. The apparitions, also: some appear foul, but tell Macbeth "fair" things that he will not worry about, but some of the apparitions, like the line of Kings, appear fair, but inflict a "foul" impression on Macbeth.
ReplyDeleteJack brought up the Lady Macbeth seemed foul and devious at the beginning but at the end she turns out to be just a whilthed flower (fair- dainty, somthing fragil) that because of what she was at first must suffer now with her new found weakness and decides it is just to much to handle. I sort of mourn for her she payed mentally for what she did and turned from foul to fair but somtimes where you strt determines where you end up!
ReplyDeleteI agree with abby and emily. the witches DO like to mess with people, like the salior and his wife. so i think that they are not real witches, but rather (as macbeth would say) "old hags" with nothing else to do
ReplyDeleteI think that the witches are just using Macbeth to take the future into their own hands. This is becasue throughout the book the witches are constantly holding the attention span of Macbeth through all of the events that he went through. This hints that these instances, when the witches are present, they are trying to manipulate the events that happen through their main source, Macbeth.
ReplyDeletei believe that the purpose of the prophecies was too test Macbeth and the lengths he will go to to attain the throne. Almost like a game??????
ReplyDeleteNo they can't see the future, people belive in these weird methods and it makes them think the things they do are because of fate and not because of their own descisions. Macbeth killed because he thought he was sure to be king, had he not known he wouldn't have worked for the title of king.
ReplyDeleteThe purpose of the prophesies was to make Macbeth beleive that he could be invinciable no matter what happened. Although the witches showed that Macbeth could be killed by a man born by a women, Macbeth was too conceded, in a way, to think about what that meant.
ReplyDeletei think the purpose of their prophecies was just to mess with macbeth to start with. They're witches and like to mess with people just because. like how the first witch made the sailor stay at sea forever just because his wife wouldn't give her walnuts or something.
ReplyDeleteI think they were using Macbeth to dictate the future because they probably knew that if they told Macbeth these things, he would respond.
ReplyDeleteThey understand that seeing the future would be pointless, because once they see it, it changes. They manipulate their words to get him to do what they want.
ReplyDeleteI think they are using Macbeth into their own hands because they are seen in the time as a people who are able to use witchcraft to foresee the future so Macbeth could have romanticized their ideas more. Because of this, Macbeth may have thought that that was what must be done so there was no conscience that could stop him because he already thought that he was doing what was right.
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering, why would the witches want to take the future into their own hands? Just for that power, to control the future, or in order to accomplish something? WHY do they tell Macbeth the prophecies, anyway? Did they make them up, and watch it happen? Or what?
ReplyDeleteGrace says that the witches plant ideas into Macbeth's mind. This is true for the apparation charts, however the trees coming to life on duncan hill would be impossible to predict correctly, unless something magical had been going on
ReplyDeleteHow do they see the trees coming up Dunsinane hill???
ReplyDeletei agree with zac, what are the apparitions and how do they made them? are they ghosts? just simply ghosts from Macbeth's imagination like banquo's ghost?
ReplyDeleteHecate wants to seem right, being the ruler of witches or whatever she is, she has a reputation to uphold
ReplyDeleteI agree with the thought that they can't completely see the future, but are just putting ideas into Macbeth's head so he can take them over and work them out himself.
ReplyDeleteThe only prophecies that Macbeth didn't physically make sure came true,was him becoming the Thane of Cawdor... he never was involved in the Thane of Cawdors execution for his treason. Then once that is set in place not by his own doing he feels he needs to act on the prophecy's so he does, to make sure they come true. But like Zach says how does that explain the eerie correctness of the apparitions?
ReplyDeleteThey were using Macbeth by giving him bits of information that may have effected the outcome of a situation.
ReplyDeletei agree with michaela because there must be some form of magic to predict the trees and the other apparitions.
ReplyDeleteI think the witches can see some of the future but they also use Macbeth to change the future too. I think the unidentified murderer and messengers are the witches.
ReplyDeleteDid Macbeth tell anyone else about the prophecy? Could the witches have told the attacking soldiers to bring the "wood" with them?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kelsie! Becuase Macbeth imagined the apparition of the dagger, did he imagine the witches' apparitions as well?
ReplyDeleteZach's apparition point brings me too believe that the witches are simply Hecates messengers because only she could know into the future. The witches are almost like children playing a game that they shouldn't which brings mom (Hecate) to stop their foolish actions with her wisdom
ReplyDeletei like grace's text to text of harry potter. its a good reference to show good vs. evil and the witches magic
ReplyDeleteAs everyone has somewhat mentioned, Macbeth is bacically putty in their hands (odd comparasion...) Text-Text connection by Grace was very relateable toward Macbeth and how the witches in Harry Potter just use lines and spells. i think, relating and basing off of Grace...they have the power to control such magical powers, yet they do have somewhat of a physical hand
ReplyDeleteWhy wouldnt they leave some parts of the important detals in their mind? So that they could seem smarter. Maybe they know more than they lead on they could know every little detal.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kara, the witches do not know exactly how everything they tell him will happen. Macbeth makes it happen. Then again, he did not cause the previous Thane of Cawdor to commmit treason. It would appear that Macbeth did not make himself become the Thane. It happened. However, he did make himself become King. What if he didn't tell L. Macbeth of the prophecies, and therefore couldn't bring himself to murder Duncan? Would he still become King?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Zach that if the could see the future because how else do you explain the apparitions that really did come true at the end of the play.
ReplyDeleteWhy would they want to influence the future? There is no benefit for them is there?
ReplyDeleteI don't think that the witches were messengers of Hecate because there is a scene where Hecate is angry at them for using their witchcraft without Hecate's permission.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kara. The prophesies were to make Macbeth carry them out. They could have predicted how he would have acted to each apperition; and these actions by Macbeth would make their predictions become true.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jack, there may be more of the witches in the play than we know, the third murderer, the servant
ReplyDeleteWhat does forseeing the future entail, immense detail or a vague outline of what is to come? Why?
ReplyDeletelike what Rebecca said, maybe Lennox told the soldiers to disguise themselves as trees because didn't he hear the apparitions?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jack that the unexplained chaacters that help the story go along may be the witches because they want the prophecies to come true to keep their plan going. They want to keep their word so Macbeth trusts them later.
ReplyDeleteTheir deeds may just be a means of pleasing themselves with what they do.
ReplyDeleteAnd, of people being "women-born," how would the witches know that Macduff was delivered by c-section? Or did it just depend on who the "not of woman-born" was? How did the witches know?
ReplyDeleteWhat the witches do is prey on Macbeth's belief and get him to believe things that aren't real. The only reason he is ultimately destroyed is because deep down he believes he will be.
ReplyDeletetrying to answer Rebeka's question.. If Macbeth ever told anyone about the prophesy. I don't think so, and i think the witches planned it. A text-life connection i made is that i think the witches are just people like therapists and psycics in real life. They can PREDIT people, not control them.
ReplyDeleteThe illusion of the witches having power, gave them power!
ReplyDeleteMany connection to the woods coming to the top of the hill... Like jack said there were many different ways that this could happen... wether people, the trees, or something else
ReplyDeletei agree with jack and how all the woods don't necessarily have to come up the hill, just that some woods would come up the hill
ReplyDeleteNatalie, I agree that if Macbeth had never told L.Macbeth about it, he wouldnt have pushed for king the way he did when L.Macbeth pushed him
ReplyDeleteI think that Macbeth caught on, and then took the opportunity under his wings...to make it come true for himself. Once he was king, he realizied the turn of events.
ReplyDeleteHe probably wouldnt have become king... he would have had to kill the king and many more and i believe the role of events would have changed everything
ReplyDeleteThroughout the play, the relationship between Lady Macbeth and her husband changes dramatically. The roles of huscand and wife become blurred. How did the major role switch in the relationship affect the plot? Would things be different is L. Macbeth had remained the controlling spouse?
ReplyDeleteHe might become king but not by his own hands. He wouldn't have murdered King Duncan so maybe something might have happened to King Duncan. This goes back to the witches and if they can actually see the future or if they make it through Macbeth.
ReplyDeletethere would have to be many things to happen in order to be king
ReplyDeleteThe whitches may ahve been to the attlefeild where the thane of cawdor commited treason and knowen that macbeth, winni ng the battle would take his place.
ReplyDeleteEven if Macbeth had waited to become king, it might have been years before it happened. Also, if it is predicted that he will become corrupt, then he probably will if the other parts of the prophecy came true.
ReplyDeleteI like how Nicole said that there was no time limit, it was Macbeth's choice as to when and how the prophecy comes through.
ReplyDeleteI think the changing point was when Macbeth began going behind Lady M's back.
ReplyDeletei think things would've changed because she was too guilty to go on after killing duncan, so maybe she would've stopped him from killing banquo and having more guilt to deal with.
ReplyDeleteAt first, Macbeth and Lady Macbeth seem to have a perfect husband and wife relationship, but after Lady Macbeth pretty much forces Macbeth to kill Duncan, the relationship starts changing. Lady Macbeth starts to take over the roll of the husband by concincing him to kill Duncan and when she tried to control Macbeth's actions. Macbeth becomes more secretive toward Lady Macbeth and doesn't tell her that he is planning on murduring more people.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Michaela that they significantly changed during the play. Lady MacBeth is a forceful woman at the beginning who makes MacBeth do what she says. Then Lady MacBeth starts to feel guilty about what she did and she turns into a psycological mess.
ReplyDeletei agree with Zach that it changed when he didn't tell her about planning to kill banquo
ReplyDeleteAt first lady macbeth is in control and has the decidng vote on matters. Macbeth seems to be affronted when she says he isnt a man and Macbeth takes matters into his own hands by not letting he know as much. if lady macbethremained in control o think there would have been less killin for insurance.
ReplyDeleteMacbeth becomes too involved in all that is happening and the attention from Lady Macbeth slowly drifts away. All of the killing, plots, and action that occurs takes Lady Macbeth's focus away to the point where she actually kills herself.
ReplyDeleteAren't they both fair, then foul in the book though?
ReplyDeleteL.Macbeth and Macbeth use many more words of affection in the beginning of the book (chuck, etc.) but by the end they are so consumed by other issues that there is no room for romance.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rebecca that L. Macbeth was encouraging her husband to kill the king and that it was for him but she also wanted it for herself to have the title as Queen
ReplyDeleteIf Lady Macbeth hadn't been a so convincing about killing Duncan, I don't think he would have committed murder. Obviously, Lady Macbeth's almost masculine emotional strength affected the plot.
ReplyDeleteNot really macbeth thoughit would be cool to be king but wasnt ready to kill he needed to be proded
ReplyDeleteI think the Lady Macbeth and Macbeth have not every realy truly expressed their feelings. They seem to have on a mask that makes each other happy. (Atleast at the beginning of the play) As they begin to remove the mask infront of eachotheer (metaphorically obvioulsy) they begin to see who each other truly are. They are starting to be eaten within...and learning more about each other throught the turn of events. The guilt then takes controla dn twists out of control.
ReplyDeleteto answer zach's question, I think that they both were fair and then foul in the book.
ReplyDeleteI think that at the begining of the play, Lady Macbeth was the strongest, toughest, and most manipulative of the two. She was the one who was comforting Macbeth of his murder, seeming as if it didn't phase her at all. But at the end, Macbeth was the one who was trying to comfort her of his crime and she soon started to become less strong and the guilt took over her. Macbeth was the one who stayed strong until the end.
ReplyDeleteI don't really agree with Rebeckah that Lady MacBeth does everything out of love. I think that Lady MacBeth's actions are done out of ambition and pride. She is a very prideful woman and wants to see the top of the social chain and when she finds out that she has the chance to get to the top, she takes it. Lady MacBeth would've done anything to reach the top and manipulating her husband was part of the plan.
ReplyDeletei agree with natalie that macbeth started fair then turned foul and L. Macbeth started out foul and sort of became fair. They have switched roles in what their relationship was before.
ReplyDeleteMacbeth starts with focus on Lady Macbeth because of their love. Then throughout the book he think more of "his own" importance, and less of her.
ReplyDeletei agree with garrett because the murder of Banquo was all macbeth lady Macbeth wasnt involved
ReplyDeleteI have to agree. Lady M is the catalyst at the book's beginning, but is "along for the ride" by the end.
ReplyDeleteIt wouldnt be different because Macbeth took the roles of both himself and Lady Macbeth, so you still had the fair half AND the foul half.
ReplyDeleteTHey both seem to change through the book and switch roles. At first lady macbeth is the mastermind and makes him kill duncan, then macbeth takes over and feels no guilt. Its almost like that weird incantation she said about removing her guilt went to macbeth instead.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Emily when she says that Lady Macbeth did not do everything out of love. But instead of doing it out of ambition and pride, I think that she did it because of greed. She wanted to be rich and powerful.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Daniel, i think that Lady Macbeth did feel the guilt of what her husband was doing, but then Macbeth got more confident about what he was doing and their roles switched for a second time.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Garrett D. that she was the backbone at the beginning of the book and then later she became the one who needed a shoulder to lean on. MacBeth was never the one who needed a shoulder to lean on, as he has been pretty sure of himself the entire book. His ego significantly grows as the book goes on.
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ReplyDeleteAre Lady Macbeth and Macbeth their true selves the whole play?
Macbeth is using Macbeth as a puppet, but eventually commits suicide.
Macbeth is the puppet, but doesn't seem to care when his "puppitier" dies.
They have a normal relationship that normal people have. But then she turns to the letter and decides what needs to happen. This lead he to wanting to kill the king. Then, her guilt over took her and convinced her to kill herself. during the middle of the play macbeth and lady macbeth switch roles and different feelings. Then Macbeth took charge of the killing and started to feel the guilt and then he gets into the fight with the "woods" and dies in combat... They switch roles and feelings through out the play.
ReplyDeletei agree with Daniel that the guilt made them switch from fair to foul and foul to fair. The guilt ate at L Macbeth but Macbeth kind of wanted more
ReplyDeleteL.Macbeth seemed to stop with her plans once she had achieved her goal of being queen, but Macbeth's ambition and paranoia kept the ball rolling, which eventually crumbled all the foundations they had.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with all of the switching idea. Lady Macbeth and Macbeth both change for worse when at the begining it seemed that they had everything under control.
ReplyDeleteMaybe their personalities changes.
ReplyDeleteFair and foul.... this represents their relationship
ReplyDeletei think the guilt of the macbeths shows who is in control after the death of duncan lady macbeth feels very guilty but macbeth overcomes his guilt and does what needs to be done to assure his power.
ReplyDeletei agree with natalie if fair means good or delicate. i think it means good because in the quote i think foul means bad so fair would be the opposite
ReplyDeleteMacbeth feels the guilt but over-rides it with his pride
ReplyDeleteI agree with Grace when she says that Lady MacBeth and MacBeth are lovey-dovey at the beginnning of the book. All of the movies we saw reflect this opinion. Eventually, the guilt kills Lady MacBeth and she worries to much to love MacBeth at all.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Macbeth doesn't feel as much guilt because he doesn't really realize what he's done
ReplyDeletei disagree. Fair at the beggining is winning the battle, and winning. daniel took my idea. you can't place restrictions on foul and fair. it is all perspective. Fair to Lady Macbeth at first is killing the king so she can be queen. But later She kills herself because of it.
ReplyDeleteI think that Macbeth has committed so many murders that he soon becomes numb to the feeling of guilt.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Grace in saying that Lady Macbeth reached her goal and stopped. But Macbeth "ran away" alone and had to become a "new" person with the thought of what he had done, and no longer having Lady Macbeth at his side.
ReplyDeletehe's a softey in the begining and then lady macbeth is in the end. But in the begining lady macbeth is strong and macbeth is that way at the end
ReplyDeleteWhat does Natalie mean "it switches"?
ReplyDeleteAt one point in the story, It says that he is no longer guilty and that he doesn't have time to dwell on whats already done.
ReplyDeletei think to start it was love hate between them because of the struggle for domanince
ReplyDeleteI think Macbeth does feel the guilt at the beginning, but by the end, he doesn't feel it as much. It is similar to Lord of the Flies. When Simon dies, no one can face reality, but when Piggy is murdered, it is taken better. Jack even makes it sound as if it was inevitable.
ReplyDeletei agree withe Sydney because i think that the pride he has for being king and having power overrides the guilt he has for killing people
ReplyDeleteDo you think that because Lady Macbeth repressed her guilt in the beginning, that's what drove her to kill herself?
ReplyDeleteNo i think her ambition surpassed even macbeths and it blinded her. But once she relized that the gain was a small and melecholy one it set in and destroyed her from the inside.
ReplyDeleteCorey mentions that being the queen means nothing to her because the guilt is taking over her life. This is very true. We saw Lady MacBeth as a person of ambition, but she realizes by the end of the book that she is so guilty that she feels nothing besides guilt. If I would have done what she did, then I would be feeling the same way. I get the impression that if Lady MacBeth could've gone back, none of this would've ever happened.
ReplyDeleteMaybe because she doesn't want to feel guilt in the beginning because she is actually getting something out of killing Duncan --becoming queen-- but now that she doesn't get anything out of the people that a dying, she feels guilty and it takes over her so she takes her life.
ReplyDeleteWhy did the murder of Duncan resolve Macbeth's fear but cause Lady Macbeth's fear?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Grace, Macbeth didn't fully realize why L.M. wanted the power so bad, and now that he's had a taste of the power he only wants more, but it can never be the same as when he became king, it can only go downhill
ReplyDeleteI think she did kill herself because she refused to show her guilt in the beginning. For Example, When you press down anger, it builds up and comes out super strong and I think that's what she did
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Lady Macbeth had much guilt to repress at the beginning, but as the murders kept piling up and she became even more entangled in the situation, it grew into a much larger issue for her, and she couldn't handle the strain.
ReplyDeletei agree with mrs moritz because it seems like l macbeth held her guilt in until she couldnt anymore and it exploded out of her so she killed herself.
ReplyDeleteThis goes back to 'fair is foul and foul is fair". What Lady Macbeth thought was fair (becoming queen) was actually foul because it caused her so much guilt and doomed her to her death.
ReplyDeleteMaria says that MacBeth had an outlet. I think that he became addicted to murdering people. Sometimes if you do something enough it becomes an addiction. Lady MacBeth's small point of addiction was when she wanted the queen position, but when she got it she realized it wasn't that great. MacBeth never really feels the same level of guilt that Lady MacBeth feels.
ReplyDeleteI think that the guilt haunted Lady Macbeth. She was probably thinking about it 24/7 and it soon became too much to bare. Allthough she did not actually commit the crime, she was the one who pushed Macbeth to carry it out. The awards of being Queen were not enough to drown her feelings out guilt.
ReplyDeleteLady Macbeth burst with guilt...commited suicide.
ReplyDeleteMacbeht expressed his guilt....and live.
agreeing with abbie, she didnt want to feel the guilt so she shut it out... but then, the guilt over took her everything
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nicole that L Macbeth wasn't thinking about the consequences, she was just thinking about Queen Queen Queen, and that i think caused her to build up all that guilt because she wasn't prepared to deal with the guilt
ReplyDeleteHow many people do you think Macbeth would be willing to kill to maintain his reign?
ReplyDeleteI agree that Lady Macbeth didn't think of the consequences and Macbeth did but the ironic thing is that the guilt had an even greater affect on Lady Macbeth.
ReplyDeleteI think abbie has the right idea, now that she doesn't gain anything from Banquo's death, from macduff's families deaths, she now starts to realize the consequences of her initial actions
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