It seemed to me that the writer was a then-dead profession. That is to say that Faber was a writer but then the occupation was outlawed so now he's just a recluse.
I think the writers have no way to be heard. Without books or the recources to spread their ideas, they would not be able to get across their ideas to the society. If they did, they could also possibly be published.
Beatty was talking about how intellects at school were bullied, and that translates to what happened in society. Because of this bullying people would try to dumb down so they would feel more equal to others. People who were smarter were looked down upon by those who were not.
I think writers would have to find a different way to express their ideas, this eing maybe TV or radio or ads, or even writing illegally, but most, according to Faber, are to scared to do anything
I think the writers are shuned form the rest of the world. Not being reconized by your peers and not fiting in with their friends is one of the greatest punishments avialbe. People will do anything just to fit in with their friends.
People would have to assume that because books are not approved in society neither would writers. If the work they do is not approved then they as people will not be approved.
I think that nothing happened to the writers. I think that the government left them a lone, but threatened that if they talked they would be punished. This also describes Faber’s nervousness becausere he doesn’t want to step out of line. They are the only remnants of the past century so the government doesn't want things to get out about books or about the writers themselves.
I agree with Kate when she said that writing books would be even more illegal than just reading them, because then you are the person who is insulting that one group of people.
i agree with kate. writing a book in this society would be way worse that owning a book. just like in our society how dealing drugs is a bigger offense than owning them
I think that the writiers want to break out, but they know there place. The writers know that there is danger in speaking forward, or writing. I also think that they can still write, but they can't share them because it is against the law. Even though the writers have the most insite and intelliigence they know that it would be fatal to share it.
I think the writers have a very powerful say in society. They have perviously researched subjects and wrote findings from that research down and they still hold that in their memory regardless of the books still existing or not. So they can influence people and teach them things that are unknown in the society of Fahrenheight 451.
Millie's response shows how relationships aren't valued or thought of as a necessity in this society. She just knows that her "relatives" are entertaining and that's her routine, which she doesn't question.
I think Mildred believes that her life is into the Tv, and when Montag brings up whether or not that the things in them love her, she questions herself about life. She's trying t believe what dhe is used to.
Though the writers have ideas, they cannot publish them. They cannot even write without being jailed. Books were banned because of content, not anything else.
I think that there are still writers though. They are just controlled by the goverment. Some one had to of written the script that Mildred has. So there are writers but the cant be creative.
I agree with Rae because Mildred realizes that she isn’t loved by the people on TV. She likes them because she knows that someone, even if it is only on TV, will always be there for her.
Millie doesn't really understand that she isn't really interacting, she isn't really thinking. She is just letting herself read the words given to her.
I agree with Macy, Mildred is much more close-minded than Montag. To her, everything is just the way it is. She thinks every question Montag asks is a 'silly question'. Questioning and thinking about things is becoming more and more normal to Montag, but Mildred is still stuck in her 'parlor family' world.
Mildred's parlor walls fufill her life and make up happiness because it is always there and accesable, while Montag, her actually family is at work for the most part. Through the parlor walls Mildred does not question society and robotically follows a script, thinking this is just all life has to offer.
Mildred knows that the "family" is just entertainment and emotions exchanged between the two, are very shallow, whereas communicating between people might not be as entertaining, but it has depth.
Whatever Montag says she disputes. That's what society has made them, the people who subconsciously can't go along with anything anyone says in real life.
Regarding Macy's question, I think that the ear buds he invented would be used for both a bad cause and a good one. It could be bad because first of all it's illegal and it could cause a huge revolution. However; it could be good because it could get to the whole country and put ideas into their heads and maybe change the future. Montag obviously likes it because in the "bedroom" scene, Montag wished he had his own station that he could talk to his wife.
People are too wavering when it comes to social activity. Their mindsets are constantly changing and can be happy or sad at any molment. The Relitives on the walls, on the other hand, are most consistant and easy to be around. The definition of "love" has changed in this society. "Love" is what you have when you are married to another, but this concept has been proven time and again here that they don't actually feel anything.
I think that Montag and Mildred don't really know what true love is, and since they consider it as an everyday routine, they don't know how to feel emotion for that other person and how to truely love them.
I believe that in the society in Fahrenheit 451 has dulled down feelings. Mildred says she loves Montage but doesn't know if she actually does. This is because she doesn't have to love him since she has the parlor walls.
I think Eric's point is interesting, because when he says that Montag has loved before but it's just been a different thing, I think that that's diffeent from loving a person because a person is not something that you can just discard at any moment you choose, such as a book.
People connect more to tv in this story than people. Non-alive obejcts are easy for people to hold on to and people become lured into a false senses of attachment and belonging. It soon pulls them into the black hole of constant watching the tv and they become connected to what isn't there and lose sight of what matters
In Fahrenheit 451, the society is wrapped up in instant gratification, people have the ability to love, but they push the want to love out of their lives
I think that love is a material thing in society, like owning a thing and not feeling it. True love is found in those who are not caugght in the fast pace of the public, people who are in touch with the past. Like mildred , when she believes she loves TV, its not a truen feeling.
Mildred and Montag has no form of social interaction because they don't know how to feel emotions. That is why a script is necessary for the parlor. It is just easier. It is easier for those who are not as knowledgable to slack off by watching tv and listening to seashells. This was the downfall of society, and the creation of the "stystem."
I think Montag is trying to drill into Mildred's mind that there is much more to the world than just her parlor family. Clarise just asked and asked untill Montag finally realized that, so maybe he is trying to do the same with Millie.
Regarding Macy's question about Montag-I think that Montag is trying to just talk to connect things together and to figure out what he is even thinking about this.
Abby has a good point that people really just don’t know how to love. They haven’t ever truly loved a person. They may think they know how to love but they don’t. Macy had a good point that they love actions things and not people and I think this is what is really happening. They are more focused on TV and other actives and not focused enough on people.
I think that Montag is just trying to find someone to talk to now that Clarisse is gone, she listened to him and helped him. Mildred doesn't listen to him, she listens to the walls.
Montag talks for the sake of thinking out loud. It seems like in this society, and even a little in ours, the solution to something is to throw words at it (see the IB program!) rather than actually finding the answer in a concise form.
I disagree with Corbin, because people do know how to love. Joe said that Montag loved burning so we do know they still can feel that emotion. However; When it comes to loving people, I agree with whoever said it in the cirlce, that it takes more work to love a person. Every one is the same, sso if you were to love one person, then you would end up loving the world. Miildred says she loves her "family", but does she really love Montag? Is it easier for Mildred to love someone on the T.V?
Mrs. Moritz- I think that with all the distractions in life such as electronics, we don't really pay attention to people around us. I know that when I'm on the computer or watching t.v., when my mom tries to tell me something I may say "yeah",but, I really am not listening to her.
I believe people during modern time are not as good of listeners as in the past. Today we are surrounded by distractions that take us away from the real world. People are absorbed in technology. People these days do listen, yet it may be of less importance than it was in the past.
I think that as a society today we do not talk at all. All the distractions such as iPods, cell phones, laptops, and all the other devices we use to absorb ourselves in really take away from communicating with each other. People these days don't want to take the time to listen to each other, because there's something else they's rather be doing.
Loveing a person takes patience and time, especially when it comes to building up trust, but loving an object or thing gives oneself INSTANT GRATIFICATION because you don't really have to know and understand eachother.
I think that Montag came to Faber to try to understand what he has. He wants to be connected to the books he owns and try to change the world to become in touch with books, which he first needs to do for himself through Faber.
I think that montag didnt love clarisse. Not real love at least, but was in love with the idea of what she embodied. Such as joy, innocence, happiness, and the old way of life.
I think in modern day, we only pretend to listen to eachother. It isn't easy to listen to one another. We only want to get our word in and we dont care what anyone else thinks. I agree with Emily's comment about how when we text we dont get the full expierience of a conversation. When we text we just keep a conversation going, but we talk about nothing. Its easier to not apply ourelves to other people because as humans, we are selfish and lazy.
Technology gets in they way of listening. Think about. Most kids text, listen to their iPods, or surf the web when people ( parents, friends, techers)try to comunicate. When we do those activites we recive instant gratification. Listening takes time and requries work, which this instantly gratified genteration doesn't want to give.
Mrs. Moritz- Montag isn't in love with Clarisse, she represented the sane person in the midst of all the insanity. She helped him understand what the truth really was and how society had been so brainwashed.
I think Montag loved the thought of Clarise. Someone going against the grain and having her own thoughts. Once she opened Montag's eyes,he really valued her, and the time with her. When she dissapeared, i think he felt much more alone. He tries to talk to Millie like he talked to Clarise, but she is uninterested.
I think Montag loved Clarisse’s ideas and that makes him love her as a person. He understood what he was saying and he loved the ideas she had. This made him love her as a person because he could relate to her very well.
I think that electronics really take over and clear your head, so when you do something with them, the things you take in are dropped right away because you let go through tech
Mrs. Moritz- When it comes to Clarice and Montag, i don't think there was any love relationship going on. However; He did probably love her as a daughter or a friend because he was so devastated when she "died". I absolutely think that he loved what she did, or else he wouldn't have had the ideas of keeping the books and trying to find Faber. She put the ideas into his head, only because he listened to her and liked her ideas.
I think that people in our time listen to eachother less than before; however our listening skills are much better than the people in Fahrenheit 451. Technology seems to be distracting us so instead of remebering exactly what your mom said to you, you don't remember at all because you are having a totally different conversation of text. Before cell phones and television, people just sat around, talked to eachother, and listen. People would actually have conversations with some substance to them instead of just, what's the weather?
The ammount of time used up by daily activities significantly increased since Bradbury's time, and we don't take the time to have thoughtful conversation as much as we could, because that time is used up by trying to achieve instant gratification.
I don't think Mildred really has a will to live anymore, because she devotes her life to wtching TV and taking those pills, so it doesn't seem to me like she really has an incentive to live anymore.
People today don't want to listen to each other as much today because we are so adjusted to getting the "snap ending" that we don't have the patience to listen. Also, many times people don't care as much today about others, we just want to be happy, like Beatty said, we just want to be entertained, and if we are indifferent to what we are listening to, we will not want to listen.
When montag says that his wife is dead, he means that she is dead to him. She doesnt even have a conversation with him, and is hypnotized by the parlor walls. So yes, while she is still physically alive, her mind and her soul are small and almost nonexistant.
I believe that Montag said Mildred is dying because of the effects of technology on her. Earlier in the book, Montag described her as a thin dieting praying mantist, with straw burnt hair and skin as white as the fat of bacon. Mildred's dependency on technology is killing her, but ironically enough technology is also keeping Mildred alive (ex: the stomach pump).
Maybe in this utopia, what Mildred and Montag have IS love. Who's to say it's not? Everyone is so brainwashed that their relationship could be fairly normal. To our society, it's not love at all. But in theirs, who knows? It could be.
I think Faber uses that phrase to tell him that he can try to change the world with books and know that your on your way, but you will never get there.
I disagree with Macy, because I don't think other people care that much about books. Take Mildred for example. I'm pretty sure she would much rather watch TV for an hour instead of sitting down and reading a book.
It seems like Montag cared a lot about Clarisse, but I don't think he loved her. Perhaps he would have loved her if they spent a little more time together. Clarisse did open Montag's eyes especially when he realized that her parents and her uncle were just sitting in their house talking to eachother with no TV's on.
With what Eric said about Montag's wife dying, I think means she is dying as a wife and not as a person. Mildred loves her wall "family" more then she ever loved him. And Montag isn't sure if he loves her. Mildred is slowly disappearing to Montag. She's almost not there, so she is dead to him.
Montag will reach the shore. In his future backlash against the government, he will probably be able to team up with the other enemies of the state: other intellectuals, political enemies, other warring nations. A big government always steps on someone's toes, and those opressed people will rebel as seen over and over again throughout history.
I think he is going to make it “to the shore” in Montag’s opinion. If helps even one person then Montag will be happy and in his eyes that is “reaching the shore”.
Everyone has a little tingling feeling inside of them, wondering about what is inside of books, why were they banned, how bad are they, and it will not be satisfied in their lifetime. The problem will pass to the next generation, and the next, and the one after that, on and on until someone does something radical to solve that feeling.
I think Montag loved what Clarisse represented, not Clarisse herself, because he never really got into a relationship with Clarisse, but he became more open to free thought, and he started reading the books he had hidden in the ventilator grille.
I disagree with Madeline because like Corbin said, people would much rather just watch t.v. and they don't think or have to really grasp and understand things while they read.
In response to mmoritz, I don't think kids rebel against laws because of spite, or rebellion, I think they reak these laws to know why they're laws, not just to rebel.
People have a hunger for the unknown. They have an itching for it. That's why our society progresses, we want to know everything. We must be all knowing and the dominant. That's why we go to school to learn new things. The want for more knowledge is human nature, and I don't believe it can be prevented.
I don't think that the public would react that drastically to find out that books are coming back into their society. Since they have already been so brainwashed from the current system I don't think they would really care that books are coming back.
@mmoritz- Kids drinking alchohal is kids wanting to know what it's like, but they also want to look cool. But in Farhenhight it is "un-cool" to own books. I think people wanting to read is pure curriosity with in themselves.
People try things like driving and drugs and doing things they have seen others do because they have been exposed and they are curious to find out what it is like
Mrs. Moritz- I think that many people like to take risks simply because they want to know, they want to experience something that they have not known. People just want to break free and not have any set barriers on them.
Something else people try just because they want to know is just flat out disobeying their parents. When your mom or dad tells you not to do something, it automatically makes you want to do it more. I think Montag is trying to defy the government like kids try to defy their parents.
Curiosity killed the cat. In this case, questioning and curiosity goes agains the stystem. Those who question must be removed, such as Clarisse. When there are inquiring people, their curiosity must be contained. Firemen burn the books, because books have thoughts and answers to societys questions. But, these answers would give society an unwanted opinion.
People "try" lots of thing because they want to know what it is or what happens. Drugs, smoking, drinking, and gamblihng are a few of negative actions that when tried once or twice an adiction forms and they are hooked. Reading, camping, and playing instrements are examples of good thngs people try and stick with because they are fun.
I think if firemen are caught with book it will make many people wonder what is in those books. If firemen have books it’s ok for you to have them right? I think people will start to thinks it’s ok to have books and then slowly they will be allowed to have books.
Like Montag, Clarice, and Faber, people in our do what they do because the "man" wants them too. Clarice started this revolution/rebellious idea in Montag's mind and Faber's had it all along. Maybe that's why the govenment makes people so brainless because they know they will rebel against the laws. In our day, teens espicially, like to do exactly what they are not supposed to do. I know I've done that before. Not only out of curoisity but from rebellion and proving that I can stand up. In the time of Fahrenheit 451, the people (Clarice, her family, Montag, Faber, and many others) want to defy the system and do what they feel is needed to do rather then whhat the government want them to do.
I disagree with Spencer, because if you look at today's society, we rely on the Internet and electronic sources so much that we only use books rarely when we need a specific amount of infromation.
The people don't want to think. Sure, a select few like Montag would want to know what they are, but that's not to say all people would care. At least in this society, no one cares about learning except for the select few. What makes you think that this society would be any different?
Rae- I think Montag feels since Clarisse is gone, he needs to carry on her thoughts and keep her memory alive. She was the only one who brought a new perspective into Montag's world.
I think that if someone found a book in the street in farenheit 451, they would leave it alone. Why would they want to think? They have their 'happiness' and there is no reason why they would want to burst that bubble. Just like in the psyche of people today, people love to have their happiness and repress anything that makes them unhappy.
I think that Faber using Montag is okay because Montag asked for Faber's help. Also, Faber is helping Montag, so what he's doing isn't just for himself.
I think it is completely fair how Faber is using Montag. I think that Faber deserves a little "revenge" in one way or another. In this case it isn't violence or anything drastic. Montag knows that e owe's all the writers, in a way. The firemen destroyed the writers hard work. The writers need a little gradification.
Abby- I think everyone does have that little curiosity. We see that in Montag's case. He was an average Fireman who wouldn't dream of having books or going against the system, but he still had that little flame that wanted to read a book or defy the system. And Clarice just fed the fire and made him understand that he could do that and not be so tied down by what the people want them to do.
I think that Montag is more pushing Faber to resist the system, than Faber is using Montag, however; Faber is hiding behind the "bullet" in Montag's ear.
I don't think it is fair. Fabers attittude represent the reason why books have disapeared in the first place. The writers and intellects, the people who could cause change were cowards. They were afraid to stand up for what they believed in, leading to the down fall of this society.
Sometimes people consider laws as limits on their freedom, rather than something to protect them from what will hurt them. Beatty's stance on books portrays this, because he says books will make people unhappy, so the govt. is protecting people from the unhappiness brought by books. However, I think the govt. in the book is actually limiting the flow of information just so they can stay in control, and so people will not be able to rise up against them because of their ignorance of what is really going on (like the war that was practically ignored in the fire station)
I think that yes, Faber is using Montag. Montag couldn't compleate his goal with out outside help. He just can not. So he needs Faber. And Faber in trun can use Montag and mold him to what he wants him to be.
I agree with Amanda-if Montag was helping Faber and not getting anything in return, then it owuldn't be ok, but given the fact thats it's a give and take relationship I think that it's ok.
I do think it is fair to Montag the way Faber is because they understand books the same way. When people find someone who believes the same thing they do and form a team, the outcome will be greater than if they both tried alone. In this case 1+1=3
So, in regards to what Macy just said in the inner circle: "Only goodie two shoes don't drink" because they are afraid of the reprecussions, is that true right now as 15-year-olds in nmodern day?
no, Mrs. Moritz. It isn't just the goodie two shoes. It's tha kids that have self-respect and care about their lives and their futures. Sadly, there are few of those types left.
I think that the average citizen in this book has a day like this: wake up, eat toast, go to work (drive fast) do work 9-5 ask no questions, come home, eat toast, watch tv, take pill, then fall asleep. This is what they do every day for their whole lives and that is all that is forseeable for them.
It's not that only ""goodie two shoes" don't drink because they are afraid of the outcome. Some just know it is the right thing, especially if you are committed to sports. Making good choices doesn't mean that you are "a goodie two shoes," it just means that you're smarter in the choices you make. :]
Using people isn't ok. But in Faber's case it's a little justified. He is doing this not only because he wants to do this, but because Montag wants the same thing it's justified. Abby- Faber told Montag what to say to Beaty because he wants everything to work perfectly and so he has to put the words into Montag’s mouth for it to work perfectly. Also, Faber could see that Montag was insecure and so Faber thought he couldn't do it by himself.
I think that some 'goodie two shoes' are afraid of the repercussions, but I also think that a lot of people just don't want to drink because it would affect their life in a negative way. For most sports players, drinking would mean not being able to do the things they love.
Mrs. Moritz- I disagree with Macy's comment. "goodie two shoes" aren't the only ones who don't drink. The kids who have a respect for themselves and how much they care about their future are the ones who don't drink.
I agree with Joe. Drinking is an outlet for people who can't enjoy life any other way. When people taint their body with drugs like this they let the drug control. It is sad
When Montag is on the subway heading towards Faber's apt, why do you think Bradbury had the toothpaste commercial interrupting his (Montag's) thoughts?
Going along with Eric's statement, I think many people have a religeon, because now with the hard economic times many people are going to the chruch to look to God and Jesus for answers to their problems.
I don't think this is true, because anyone could get curious as to what it is like, and especially innocent "goodie two shoes" people who can be impressionable try drinking, they might get hooked.
This shows society running into the beliefs of the past and also shows two conflicting lifestyles, one being religous the other being technological. In this case the tech one overcomes
It shows how the government has crowded this society with useless information to try to persuade its citizens. It also represents the lack of thought in this society as well as the inability to think intellectually without being interupted by entertainment.
I believe Bradbury talked "Denham's Denterfrice" because it connects to the title of this section (The Sieve and the Sand). His mind is a sieve always trying to hold in memory... but the sand keeps slipping through the cracks because of how society is attempting to remove any trace of personal thoughts and ideas. This lead to how crazy Montag became when he could not think for himself.
I think that Bradbury could be making reference to the short story Harrison Bergeron, and how every twenty seconds George receives a sound in his ear that stops his train of thought.
No, it's not only the goody two shoes that don't partake in underaged drinking. But it's also not only the "bad kids" that drink. I don't think that macy was trying to steryotype goody two shoes because it's not true. And Joe- i agree that the kids who have self respect can walk away and say no the easiest.
People can't read the Bible therefore they aren't Christian? Early Cathlics couldn't read the Bible! The priest told them what was in the book, cencoring the unpopular ideas. Then, all sermons were in Latin until like the 60's. They had no idea what was going on, yet they are considered today as the most hardcore Christians of all time!
I think that Maria is right. When you put something on the Internet it is more susceptible to being changed and altered, whereas if its in print form its not so easy to change.
I think it is a bible because many people live by the bible during the time this book was written. Bradbury wanted people to understand how severe this situation was going to be in the future and by using this book, people would understand. Some people literally live by this book and when your book of life is gone life itself is gone.
A lot of religions have a holy book, and if there were no protests to the burning of these books, so I believe that there are "religions" but not a binding faith, just a loose set of beliefs.
I think there was the commercial on the train to show the readers how people weren't allowed to think. If something is constantly inturupting your thought, how would you think? The music is to keep people (like Montag) from thinking about rebellion.
Whoever asked the bible question- I don't think theey have much religion, because eveyone is the same in the books time, so religion would just divide the community and give the people to much freedom. However; the people in this time could only be allowed to one religion and everyone had to believe the same beliefs.
I think this symbolizes how advertisement and entertainment can completely fill your thoughts, and therefore make those thoughts useless. This even happens today; I have noticed people, including myself will talk about commercials and/or movies, that really have no significance.
@Inner circle--But the entire idea of the book was to suppress information that individuals could have. In our modern day, we are innundated with information. Is it a catch 22?
It is ironic how they attempt to eliminate intellectuals, when the intellectuals are the ones who changed society and turned it into what we know it as right now.
I agree with Troy. We are heading more towards encouraging geniuses than discouraging. We aplaud critical thinking and knowledge and we promote literature. We WANT people to think outside the box, I don't think we're heading down the road to the type of society F451 has.
I agree with Eric's comment, I think technology is keeping us from hanging out with our friends. We are just texting, not even hearing their voice and emotions. I think now we are spending less time with friends, family, and just socializing with others and turning our iPods up to block out the rest of the world.
With what Macy said about the goody two shoes, not all 15 year olds have the curiosity and most of the people that do, with what Joe said, have self respect and know whats good for them can walk away and not give into peer presure. Not all the "bad" kids drink, not all the "good" kids don't drink.
the bible would be changed, just like it was and has been since the time of the inquisitional catholic church. The old, medieval catholic church changed the bible to suit their views and to subdue the serfs. The society in this book would probably do the same if they had the bible. The 'bible' in this society would be telling people to not think and to watch their parlor screens.
I agree with Troy when he said that sure our technology is advancing, but our society is far and away from what the society in Fahrenheit is. He is right when he said our information is so widely available, it is the opposite of F451's society.
I think Cloe brings up a good point, and I think that us as a country should look at other nations as an example of what the future might bring, so that we can prepare better for the future tasks that approach.
Mrs. Moritz- With the toothpaste comercial, I think it just shows that the people don't have the freedom to think. It kept interupting his thoughts along with everyone who were maybe trying to think.
I appreciate Macy for acknowledging that adults were able to function without the Internet. Human beings were able to continue to populate the world and not destroy everything in their paths. It's amazing we are here today. :)
I think technology is helping people. Now days I am able to commutate with my friend in Alabama within seconds compared to the past where it could take weeks to have a small conversation. This actually helps people become connected.
I don't think we're getting smarter per generation, i think we are progressing more, and relying more on technology and the whole idea of instant gratification. If anything, we're becoming more lazy per generation. There were still smart people a long time ago!!
I agree with Rae when she said bethat we may not be smarter. Yes we do have all the resources, but like the videos that Mrs. Moriz showed us, we use all the things that we have.
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ReplyDeleteI think that society restricts writers and scholers from writing books since they are banned.
ReplyDeleteI just think the writers aren't allowed to be published, not allowing their work to reach the public.
ReplyDeleteIt seemed to me that the writer was a then-dead profession. That is to say that Faber was a writer but then the occupation was outlawed so now he's just a recluse.
ReplyDeleteI think the writers have no way to be heard. Without books or the recources to spread their ideas, they would not be able to get across their ideas to the society. If they did, they could also possibly be published.
ReplyDeleteBeatty was talking about how intellects at school were bullied, and that translates to what happened in society. Because of this bullying people would try to dumb down so they would feel more equal to others. People who were smarter were looked down upon by those who were not.
ReplyDeleteI think writers would have to find a different way to express their ideas, this eing maybe TV or radio or ads, or even writing illegally, but most, according to Faber, are to scared to do anything
ReplyDeleteI think the writers are shuned form the rest of the world. Not being reconized by your peers and not fiting in with their friends is one of the greatest punishments avialbe. People will do anything just to fit in with their friends.
ReplyDeletePeople would have to assume that because books are not approved in society neither would writers. If the work they do is not approved then they as people will not be approved.
ReplyDeleteI think that nothing happened to the writers. I think that the government left them a lone, but threatened that if they talked they would be punished. This also describes Faber’s nervousness becausere he doesn’t want to step out of line. They are the only remnants of the past century so the government doesn't want things to get out about books or about the writers themselves.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Kate when she said that writing books would be even more illegal than just reading them, because then you are the person who is insulting that one group of people.
ReplyDeletei agree with kate. writing a book in this society would be way worse that owning a book. just like in our society how dealing drugs is a bigger offense than owning them
ReplyDeleteI think that the writiers want to break out, but they know there place. The writers know that there is danger in speaking forward, or writing. I also think that they can still write, but they can't share them because it is against the law. Even though the writers have the most insite and intelliigence they know that it would be fatal to share it.
ReplyDeleteI think the writers have a very powerful say in society. They have perviously researched subjects and wrote findings from that research down and they still hold that in their memory regardless of the books still existing or not. So they can influence people and teach them things that are unknown in the society of Fahrenheight 451.
ReplyDeleteMillie's response shows how relationships aren't valued or thought of as a necessity in this society. She just knows that her "relatives" are entertaining and that's her routine, which she doesn't question.
ReplyDeleteI think Mildred believes that her life is into the Tv, and when Montag brings up whether or not that the things in them love her, she questions herself about life. She's trying t believe what dhe is used to.
ReplyDeleteThough the writers have ideas, they cannot publish them. They cannot even write without being jailed. Books were banned because of content, not anything else.
ReplyDeleteI think that Mildred doesn't really know what family really is, since she just uses a TV as an excuse for her family.
ReplyDeleteI think that there are still writers though. They are just controlled by the goverment. Some one had to of written the script that Mildred has. So there are writers but the cant be creative.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rae because Mildred realizes that she isn’t loved by the people on TV. She likes them because she knows that someone, even if it is only on TV, will always be there for her.
ReplyDeleteMillie doesn't really understand that she isn't really interacting, she isn't really thinking. She is just letting herself read the words given to her.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Macy, Mildred is much more close-minded than Montag. To her, everything is just the way it is. She thinks every question Montag asks is a 'silly question'. Questioning and thinking about things is becoming more and more normal to Montag, but Mildred is still stuck in her 'parlor family' world.
ReplyDeleteMildred's parlor walls fufill her life and make up happiness because it is always there and accesable, while Montag, her actually family is at work for the most part. Through the parlor walls Mildred does not question society and robotically follows a script, thinking this is just all life has to offer.
ReplyDeleteI think Mildred has convinced herself that the white clown and her family do love her, because they entertain her and they make her happy.
ReplyDeleteMildred knows that the "family" is just entertainment and emotions exchanged between the two, are very shallow, whereas communicating between people might not be as entertaining, but it has depth.
ReplyDeleteWhatever Montag says she disputes. That's what society has made them, the people who subconsciously can't go along with anything anyone says in real life.
ReplyDeleteI think that Mildred is afraid that her 'relatives' don't love her even though she loves them.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Macy's question, I think that the ear buds he invented would be used for both a bad cause and a good one. It could be bad because first of all it's illegal and it could cause a huge revolution. However; it could be good because it could get to the whole country and put ideas into their heads and maybe change the future. Montag obviously likes it because in the "bedroom" scene, Montag wished he had his own station that he could talk to his wife.
ReplyDeletePeople are too wavering when it comes to social activity. Their mindsets are constantly changing and can be happy or sad at any molment. The Relitives on the walls, on the other hand, are most consistant and easy to be around. The definition of "love" has changed in this society. "Love" is what you have when you are married to another, but this concept has been proven time and again here that they don't actually feel anything.
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag and Mildred don't really know what true love is, and since they consider it as an everyday routine, they don't know how to feel emotion for that other person and how to truely love them.
ReplyDeleteI believe that in the society in Fahrenheit 451 has dulled down feelings. Mildred says she loves Montage but doesn't know if she actually does. This is because she doesn't have to love him since she has the parlor walls.
ReplyDeleteI think Eric's point is interesting, because when he says that Montag has loved before but it's just been a different thing, I think that that's diffeent from loving a person because a person is not something that you can just discard at any moment you choose, such as a book.
ReplyDeleteIn this day and age, people love material objects not people. Actions can also be loved, but people take work instead of just being cooperative.
ReplyDeletePeople connect more to tv in this story than people. Non-alive obejcts are easy for people to hold on to and people become lured into a false senses of attachment and belonging. It soon pulls them into the black hole of constant watching the tv and they become connected to what isn't there and lose sight of what matters
ReplyDeleteIn Fahrenheit 451, the society is wrapped up in instant gratification, people have the ability to love, but they push the want to love out of their lives
ReplyDeleteI think that love is a material thing in society, like owning a thing and not feeling it. True love is found in those who are not caugght in the fast pace of the public, people who are in touch with the past. Like mildred , when she believes she loves TV, its not a truen feeling.
ReplyDeleteMildred and Montag has no form of social interaction because they don't know how to feel emotions. That is why a script is necessary for the parlor. It is just easier. It is easier for those who are not as knowledgable to slack off by watching tv and listening to seashells. This was the downfall of society, and the creation of the "stystem."
ReplyDeleteI think Montag is trying to drill into Mildred's mind that there is much more to the world than just her parlor family. Clarise just asked and asked untill Montag finally realized that, so maybe he is trying to do the same with Millie.
ReplyDeleteHow do you think what Montag said about people not listening applies to life today? Do we listen to each other? What gets in the way?
ReplyDeleteRegarding Macy's question about Montag-I think that Montag is trying to just talk to connect things together and to figure out what he is even thinking about this.
ReplyDeleteAbby has a good point that people really just don’t know how to love. They haven’t ever truly loved a person. They may think they know how to love but they don’t. Macy had a good point that they love actions things and not people and I think this is what is really happening. They are more focused on TV and other actives and not focused enough on people.
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag is just trying to find someone to talk to now that Clarisse is gone, she listened to him and helped him. Mildred doesn't listen to him, she listens to the walls.
ReplyDeleteMontag talks for the sake of thinking out loud. It seems like in this society, and even a little in ours, the solution to something is to throw words at it (see the IB program!) rather than actually finding the answer in a concise form.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Corbin, because people do know how to love. Joe said that Montag loved burning so we do know they still can feel that emotion. However; When it comes to loving people, I agree with whoever said it in the cirlce, that it takes more work to love a person. Every one is the same, sso if you were to love one person, then you would end up loving the world. Miildred says she loves her "family", but does she really love Montag? Is it easier for Mildred to love someone on the T.V?
ReplyDeleteDo you think Montag loved Clarise or did he just love what she represente? What she did opening his eyes?
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz- I think that with all the distractions in life such as electronics, we don't really pay attention to people around us. I know that when I'm on the computer or watching t.v., when my mom tries to tell me something I may say "yeah",but, I really am not listening to her.
ReplyDeleteI believe people during modern time are not as good of listeners as in the past. Today we are surrounded by distractions that take us away from the real world. People are absorbed in technology. People these days do listen, yet it may be of less importance than it was in the past.
ReplyDeleteI think that as a society today we do not talk at all. All the distractions such as iPods, cell phones, laptops, and all the other devices we use to absorb ourselves in really take away from communicating with each other. People these days don't want to take the time to listen to each other, because there's something else they's rather be doing.
ReplyDeleteLoveing a person takes patience and time, especially when it comes to building up trust, but loving an object or thing gives oneself INSTANT GRATIFICATION because you don't really have to know and understand eachother.
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag came to Faber to try to understand what he has. He wants to be connected to the books he owns and try to change the world to become in touch with books, which he first needs to do for himself through Faber.
ReplyDeleteI think that montag didnt love clarisse. Not real love at least, but was in love with the idea of what she embodied. Such as joy, innocence, happiness, and the old way of life.
ReplyDeleteI think in modern day, we only pretend to listen to eachother. It isn't easy to listen to one another. We only want to get our word in and we dont care what anyone else thinks. I agree with Emily's comment about how when we text we dont get the full expierience of a conversation. When we text we just keep a conversation going, but we talk about nothing. Its easier to not apply ourelves to other people because as humans, we are selfish and lazy.
ReplyDeleteTechnology gets in they way of listening. Think about. Most kids text, listen to their iPods, or surf the web when people ( parents, friends, techers)try to comunicate. When we do those activites we recive instant gratification. Listening takes time and requries work, which this instantly gratified genteration doesn't want to give.
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz- Montag isn't in love with Clarisse, she represented the sane person in the midst of all the insanity. She helped him understand what the truth really was and how society had been so brainwashed.
ReplyDeleteI think Montag loved the thought of Clarise. Someone going against the grain and having her own thoughts. Once she opened Montag's eyes,he really valued her, and the time with her. When she dissapeared, i think he felt much more alone. He tries to talk to Millie like he talked to Clarise, but she is uninterested.
ReplyDeleteI think Montag loved Clarisse’s ideas and that makes him love her as a person. He understood what he was saying and he loved the ideas she had. This made him love her as a person because he could relate to her very well.
ReplyDeleteI think that electronics really take over and clear your head, so when you do something with them, the things you take in are dropped right away because you let go through tech
ReplyDeleteThere is much more to life than just material objects. It is loving, and living instead of just sitting lazily on a couch all day talking to a screen.
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz- When it comes to Clarice and Montag, i don't think there was any love relationship going on. However; He did probably love her as a daughter or a friend because he was so devastated when she "died". I absolutely think that he loved what she did, or else he wouldn't have had the ideas of keeping the books and trying to find Faber. She put the ideas into his head, only because he listened to her and liked her ideas.
ReplyDeleteI think that people in our time listen to eachother less than before; however our listening skills are much better than the people in Fahrenheit 451. Technology seems to be distracting us so instead of remebering exactly what your mom said to you, you don't remember at all because you are having a totally different conversation of text. Before cell phones and television, people just sat around, talked to eachother, and listen. People would actually have conversations with some substance to them instead of just, what's the weather?
ReplyDeleteThe ammount of time used up by daily activities significantly increased since Bradbury's time, and we don't take the time to have thoughtful conversation as much as we could, because that time is used up by trying to achieve instant gratification.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Mildred really has a will to live anymore, because she devotes her life to wtching TV and taking those pills, so it doesn't seem to me like she really has an incentive to live anymore.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Macy that he means she is dying in their relationship not physically.
ReplyDeletePeople today don't want to listen to each other as much today because we are so adjusted to getting the "snap ending" that we don't have the patience to listen. Also, many times people don't care as much today about others, we just want to be happy, like Beatty said, we just want to be entertained, and if we are indifferent to what we are listening to, we will not want to listen.
ReplyDeleteWhen montag says that his wife is dead, he means that she is dead to him. She doesnt even have a conversation with him, and is hypnotized by the parlor walls. So yes, while she is still physically alive, her mind and her soul are small and almost nonexistant.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Montag said Mildred is dying because of the effects of technology on her. Earlier in the book, Montag described her as a thin dieting praying mantist, with straw burnt hair and skin as white as the fat of bacon. Mildred's dependency on technology is killing her, but ironically enough technology is also keeping Mildred alive (ex: the stomach pump).
ReplyDeleteMaybe in this utopia, what Mildred and Montag have IS love. Who's to say it's not? Everyone is so brainwashed that their relationship could be fairly normal. To our society, it's not love at all. But in theirs, who knows? It could be.
ReplyDeleteI think Faber uses that phrase to tell him that he can try to change the world with books and know that your on your way, but you will never get there.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Macy, because I don't think other people care that much about books. Take Mildred for example. I'm pretty sure she would much rather watch TV for an hour instead of sitting down and reading a book.
ReplyDeleteIt seems like Montag cared a lot about Clarisse, but I don't think he loved her. Perhaps he would have loved her if they spent a little more time together. Clarisse did open Montag's eyes especially when he realized that her parents and her uncle were just sitting in their house talking to eachother with no TV's on.
ReplyDeleteWith what Eric said about Montag's wife dying, I think means she is dying as a wife and not as a person. Mildred loves her wall "family" more then she ever loved him. And Montag isn't sure if he loves her. Mildred is slowly disappearing to Montag. She's almost not there, so she is dead to him.
ReplyDeleteMontag will reach the shore. In his future backlash against the government, he will probably be able to team up with the other enemies of the state: other intellectuals, political enemies, other warring nations. A big government always steps on someone's toes, and those opressed people will rebel as seen over and over again throughout history.
ReplyDeletePeople want to know what they are not supposed to know. Why else would underage kids drink alcohol?
ReplyDeleteI think he is going to make it “to the shore” in Montag’s opinion. If helps even one person then Montag will be happy and in his eyes that is “reaching the shore”.
ReplyDeleteCan you think of anything else that people "try" just because they want to know?
ReplyDeleteEveryone has a little tingling feeling inside of them, wondering about what is inside of books, why were they banned, how bad are they, and it will not be satisfied in their lifetime. The problem will pass to the next generation, and the next, and the one after that, on and on until someone does something radical to solve that feeling.
ReplyDeleteI think Montag loved what Clarisse represented, not Clarisse herself, because he never really got into a relationship with Clarisse, but he became more open to free thought, and he started reading the books he had hidden in the ventilator grille.
ReplyDeletesometimes people don't want to know because they have never seen it, but maybe under pressure or just curiosity pushes people to do it
ReplyDeleteI agree with Troy. The shore is not society being revolutionized, its just understanding and finding true happiness in life like clarisse.
ReplyDeletePeople try drugs, they may try cigarettes or cigars just to know how it feels, to maybe prove themselves to someone.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Madeline because like Corbin said, people would much rather just watch t.v. and they don't think or have to really grasp and understand things while they read.
ReplyDeleteIn response to mmoritz, I don't think kids rebel against laws because of spite, or rebellion, I think they reak these laws to know why they're laws, not just to rebel.
ReplyDeletePeople have a hunger for the unknown. They have an itching for it. That's why our society progresses, we want to know everything. We must be all knowing and the dominant. That's why we go to school to learn new things. The want for more knowledge is human nature, and I don't believe it can be prevented.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that the public would react that drastically to find out that books are coming back into their society. Since they have already been so brainwashed from the current system I don't think they would really care that books are coming back.
ReplyDelete@mmoritz- Kids drinking alchohal is kids wanting to know what it's like, but they also want to look cool. But in Farhenhight it is "un-cool" to own books. I think people wanting to read is pure curriosity with in themselves.
ReplyDeletePeople try things like driving and drugs and doing things they have seen others do because they have been exposed and they are curious to find out what it is like
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz- I think that many people like to take risks simply because they want to know, they want to experience something that they have not known. People just want to break free and not have any set barriers on them.
ReplyDeleteSomething else people try just because they want to know is just flat out disobeying their parents. When your mom or dad tells you not to do something, it automatically makes you want to do it more. I think Montag is trying to defy the government like kids try to defy their parents.
ReplyDelete@Cloe--I think books are cool.
ReplyDeleteCuriosity killed the cat.
ReplyDeleteIn this case, questioning and curiosity goes agains the stystem. Those who question must be removed, such as Clarisse. When there are inquiring people, their curiosity must be contained. Firemen burn the books, because books have thoughts and answers to societys questions. But, these answers would give society an unwanted opinion.
People "try" lots of thing because they want to know what it is or what happens. Drugs, smoking, drinking, and gamblihng are a few of negative actions that when tried once or twice an adiction forms and they are hooked. Reading, camping, and playing instrements are examples of good thngs people try and stick with because they are fun.
ReplyDeleteI think if firemen are caught with book it will make many people wonder what is in those books. If firemen have books it’s ok for you to have them right? I think people will start to thinks it’s ok to have books and then slowly they will be allowed to have books.
ReplyDeleteLike Montag, Clarice, and Faber, people in our do what they do because the "man" wants them too. Clarice started this revolution/rebellious idea in Montag's mind and Faber's had it all along. Maybe that's why the govenment makes people so brainless because they know they will rebel against the laws. In our day, teens espicially, like to do exactly what they are not supposed to do. I know I've done that before. Not only out of curoisity but from rebellion and proving that I can stand up. In the time of Fahrenheit 451, the people (Clarice, her family, Montag, Faber, and many others) want to defy the system and do what they feel is needed to do rather then whhat the government want them to do.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Spencer, because if you look at today's society, we rely on the Internet and electronic sources so much that we only use books rarely when we need a specific amount of infromation.
ReplyDeleteDo you think it is fair that Faber is using Montag?
ReplyDeleteI think that it is fair that Faber uses Montag because Montag has access and potential but doesn't know how to use it the way Faber can.
ReplyDeleteThe people don't want to think. Sure, a select few like Montag would want to know what they are, but that's not to say all people would care. At least in this society, no one cares about learning except for the select few. What makes you think that this society would be any different?
ReplyDeleteRae- I think Montag feels since Clarisse is gone, he needs to carry on her thoughts and keep her memory alive. She was the only one who brought a new perspective into Montag's world.
ReplyDeleteI think that if someone found a book in the street in farenheit 451, they would leave it alone. Why would they want to think? They have their 'happiness' and there is no reason why they would want to burst that bubble. Just like in the psyche of people today, people love to have their happiness and repress anything that makes them unhappy.
ReplyDeleteI think that Faber using Montag is okay because Montag asked for Faber's help. Also, Faber is helping Montag, so what he's doing isn't just for himself.
ReplyDeleteI think it is completely fair how Faber is using Montag. I think that Faber deserves a little "revenge" in one way or another. In this case it isn't violence or anything drastic. Montag knows that e owe's all the writers, in a way. The firemen destroyed the writers hard work. The writers need a little gradification.
ReplyDeleteAbby- I think everyone does have that little curiosity. We see that in Montag's case. He was an average Fireman who wouldn't dream of having books or going against the system, but he still had that little flame that wanted to read a book or defy the system. And Clarice just fed the fire and made him understand that he could do that and not be so tied down by what the people want them to do.
ReplyDeleteI think that Montag is more pushing Faber to resist the system, than Faber is using Montag, however; Faber is hiding behind the "bullet" in Montag's ear.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it is fair. Fabers attittude represent the reason why books have disapeared in the first place. The writers and intellects, the people who could cause change were cowards. They were afraid to stand up for what they believed in, leading to the down fall of this society.
ReplyDelete@ mmoritz- Yes because Faber couldn't infiltrate the govt. himself, for he would be far too suspicious.
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ReplyDeleteSometimes people consider laws as limits on their freedom, rather than something to protect them from what will hurt them. Beatty's stance on books portrays this, because he says books will make people unhappy, so the govt. is protecting people from the unhappiness brought by books. However, I think the govt. in the book is actually limiting the flow of information just so they can stay in control, and so people will not be able to rise up against them because of their ignorance of what is really going on (like the war that was practically ignored in the fire station)
ReplyDeleteI think that yes, Faber is using Montag. Montag couldn't compleate his goal with out outside help. He just can not. So he needs Faber. And Faber in trun can use Montag and mold him to what he wants him to be.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Amanda-if Montag was helping Faber and not getting anything in return, then it owuldn't be ok, but given the fact thats it's a give and take relationship I think that it's ok.
ReplyDeleteI do think it is fair to Montag the way Faber is because they understand books the same way. When people find someone who believes the same thing they do and form a team, the outcome will be greater than if they both tried alone. In this case 1+1=3
ReplyDeleteSo, in regards to what Macy just said in the inner circle: "Only goodie two shoes don't drink" because they are afraid of the reprecussions, is that true right now as 15-year-olds in nmodern day?
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ReplyDeleteno, Mrs. Moritz. It isn't just the goodie two shoes. It's tha kids that have self-respect and care about their lives and their futures. Sadly, there are few of those types left.
ReplyDeleteI think that the average citizen in this book has a day like this: wake up, eat toast, go to work (drive fast) do work 9-5 ask no questions, come home, eat toast, watch tv, take pill, then fall asleep. This is what they do every day for their whole lives and that is all that is forseeable for them.
ReplyDeleteIt's not that only ""goodie two shoes" don't drink because they are afraid of the outcome. Some just know it is the right thing, especially if you are committed to sports. Making good choices doesn't mean that you are "a goodie two shoes," it just means that you're smarter in the choices you make. :]
ReplyDeleteWhat Macy says is true; the kids who are afraid to get in trouble are the ones who stay out of trouble.
ReplyDeleteI think that any 15 year old would drink if given the chance and knowiing they wouldn't get caught but only the worst of us do it all the time
ReplyDeleteUsing people isn't ok. But in Faber's case it's a little justified. He is doing this not only because he wants to do this, but because Montag wants the same thing it's justified. Abby- Faber told Montag what to say to Beaty because he wants everything to work perfectly and so he has to put the words into Montag’s mouth for it to work perfectly. Also, Faber could see that Montag was insecure and so Faber thought he couldn't do it by himself.
ReplyDeleteI think that some 'goodie two shoes' are afraid of the repercussions, but I also think that a lot of people just don't want to drink because it would affect their life in a negative way. For most sports players, drinking would mean not being able to do the things they love.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that is true, because some kids will go and do things and not even consider what the consequences might be.
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz- I disagree with Macy's comment. "goodie two shoes" aren't the only ones who don't drink. The kids who have a respect for themselves and how much they care about their future are the ones who don't drink.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Joe. Drinking is an outlet for people who can't enjoy life any other way. When people taint their body with drugs like this they let the drug control. It is sad
ReplyDeleteWhen Montag is on the subway heading towards Faber's apt, why do you think Bradbury had the toothpaste commercial interrupting his (Montag's) thoughts?
ReplyDeleteSome goodie two shoes also get in trouble sometimes, because no one is perfect all the time. Everyone has their bad days.
ReplyDeleteGoing along with Eric's statement, I think many people have a religeon, because now with the hard economic times many people are going to the chruch to look to God and Jesus for answers to their problems.
ReplyDeleteI don't think this is true, because anyone could get curious as to what it is like, and especially innocent "goodie two shoes" people who can be impressionable try drinking, they might get hooked.
ReplyDeleteThis shows society running into the beliefs of the past and also shows two conflicting lifestyles, one being religous the other being technological. In this case the tech one overcomes
ReplyDeleteIt shows how the government has crowded this society with useless information to try to persuade its citizens. It also represents the lack of thought in this society as well as the inability to think intellectually without being interupted by entertainment.
ReplyDeleteI believe Bradbury talked "Denham's Denterfrice" because it connects to the title of this section (The Sieve and the Sand). His mind is a sieve always trying to hold in memory... but the sand keeps slipping through the cracks because of how society is attempting to remove any trace of personal thoughts and ideas. This lead to how crazy Montag became when he could not think for himself.
ReplyDeleteI disagre with Eric. People can pass down the traditions of their religion with or without books. It is there, you just have to belive.
ReplyDeleteI think that Bradbury could be making reference to the short story Harrison Bergeron, and how every twenty seconds George receives a sound in his ear that stops his train of thought.
ReplyDeleteNo, it's not only the goody two shoes that don't partake in underaged drinking. But it's also not only the "bad kids" that drink. I don't think that macy was trying to steryotype goody two shoes because it's not true. And Joe- i agree that the kids who have self respect can walk away and say no the easiest.
ReplyDeletePeople can't read the Bible therefore they aren't Christian? Early Cathlics couldn't read the Bible! The priest told them what was in the book, cencoring the unpopular ideas. Then, all sermons were in Latin until like the 60's. They had no idea what was going on, yet they are considered today as the most hardcore Christians of all time!
ReplyDeleteI think that Maria is right. When you put something on the Internet it is more susceptible to being changed and altered, whereas if its in print form its not so easy to change.
ReplyDeleteI think it is a bible because many people live by the bible during the time this book was written. Bradbury wanted people to understand how severe this situation was going to be in the future and by using this book, people would understand. Some people literally live by this book and when your book of life is gone life itself is gone.
ReplyDeleteA lot of religions have a holy book, and if there were no protests to the burning of these books, so I believe that there are "religions" but not a binding faith, just a loose set of beliefs.
ReplyDeleteI think there was the commercial on the train to show the readers how people weren't allowed to think. If something is constantly inturupting your thought, how would you think? The music is to keep people (like Montag) from thinking about rebellion.
ReplyDeleteWhoever asked the bible question- I don't think theey have much religion, because eveyone is the same in the books time, so religion would just divide the community and give the people to much freedom. However; the people in this time could only be allowed to one religion and everyone had to believe the same beliefs.
ReplyDeleteI think this symbolizes how advertisement and entertainment can completely fill your thoughts, and therefore make those thoughts useless. This even happens today; I have noticed people, including myself will talk about commercials and/or movies, that really have no significance.
ReplyDeleteAsking questions does slow things down, but asking questions ensures things are done right.
ReplyDelete@Inner circle--But the entire idea of the book was to suppress information that individuals could have. In our modern day, we are innundated with information. Is it a catch 22?
ReplyDeleteIt is ironic how they attempt to eliminate intellectuals, when the intellectuals are the ones who changed society and turned it into what we know it as right now.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Troy. We are heading more towards encouraging geniuses than discouraging. We aplaud critical thinking and knowledge and we promote literature. We WANT people to think outside the box, I don't think we're heading down the road to the type of society F451 has.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Eric's comment, I think technology is keeping us from hanging out with our friends. We are just texting, not even hearing their voice and emotions. I think now we are spending less time with friends, family, and just socializing with others and turning our iPods up to block out the rest of the world.
ReplyDeleteWith what Macy said about the goody two shoes, not all 15 year olds have the curiosity and most of the people that do, with what Joe said, have self respect and know whats good for them can walk away and not give into peer presure. Not all the "bad" kids drink, not all the "good" kids don't drink.
ReplyDeleteTroy-- YES!! Information is WAY more readily availible on the Internet than in the library.
ReplyDeletethe bible would be changed, just like it was and has been since the time of the inquisitional catholic church. The old, medieval catholic church changed the bible to suit their views and to subdue the serfs. The society in this book would probably do the same if they had the bible. The 'bible' in this society would be telling people to not think and to watch their parlor screens.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Troy when he said that sure our technology is advancing, but our society is far and away from what the society in Fahrenheit is. He is right when he said our information is so widely available, it is the opposite of F451's society.
ReplyDeleteI think Cloe brings up a good point, and I think that us as a country should look at other nations as an example of what the future might bring, so that we can prepare better for the future tasks that approach.
ReplyDeleteMrs. Moritz- With the toothpaste comercial, I think it just shows that the people don't have the freedom to think. It kept interupting his thoughts along with everyone who were maybe trying to think.
ReplyDeleteWe are not actually learning! We are just recieving and giving information without actually understanding what were saying.
ReplyDeleteSpencer- I agree that you don't really know what is actually true on the internet. You don't really know who is writing it, they could be lying.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate Macy for acknowledging that adults were able to function without the Internet. Human beings were able to continue to populate the world and not destroy everything in their paths. It's amazing we are here today. :)
ReplyDeleteI think technology is helping people. Now days I am able to commutate with my friend in Alabama within seconds compared to the past where it could take weeks to have a small conversation. This actually helps people become connected.
ReplyDeleteShut down--sorry. I wasn't watching the clock.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we're getting smarter per generation, i think we are progressing more, and relying more on technology and the whole idea of instant gratification. If anything, we're becoming more lazy per generation. There were still smart people a long time ago!!
ReplyDeleteWhat would we do without google? If google and other search sites did not exist we would learn how to look up correct information in books.
ReplyDeleteTechnology is getting better, smarter.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rae when she said bethat we may not be smarter. Yes we do have all the resources, but like the videos that Mrs. Moriz showed us, we use all the things that we have.
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